Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#3173965 21-Dec-2023 09:37

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quickymart:

While I think it's great news, there's probably nothing to stop voters just writing in his name, is there? Is it still counted as a legitimate vote though?

Unless they write it wrong:

Trump THE SAVIOR
Donald Trump PREZ 4EVER
Trump against COVID
Trump WALL
Heil Frump

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#3174001 21-Dec-2023 10:58

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The plot thickens ...

AlterNet - Colorado GOP to scrap primary system and move to caucuses if Trump disqualification stands

20 Dec 2023

In response to the Colorado Supreme Court’s bombshell ruling citing the U.S. Constitution, declaring Donald Trump cannot legally appear on the state’s 2024 primary ballot having engaged in insurrection, the Colorado Republican Party announced it will circumvent the court and switch to the caucus system, if that ruling is upheld.

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#3174002 21-Dec-2023 10:59

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Basically saying "We're ok with insurrectionists and dictators"

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#3174014 21-Dec-2023 11:35

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kingdragonfly: Supreme Court Justices ruling its state rights, unless it's inconvenient.

Reminds me of Trump's New York fraud defense: it's a legal valuation, when convenient. Otherwise an (illegal) disclaimer overrides makes it not a legal valuation..

Here's Trump wanting to keep his cake and eat it too.

Are you sure it's Trump? The hair color isn't quite right.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#3174087 21-Dec-2023 15:34

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GV27:

All of the Colorado judges were democratic appointees. It's the same game all over.

And the plaintiffs were republicans.

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#3174124 21-Dec-2023 17:04

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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/20/biden-trump-2024-presidential-race-no-one-wants-00132791

Interesting opinion piece looking at why voters don't want Trump vs Biden take 2.

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#3174146 21-Dec-2023 18:54

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Surprise! - it's all Biden's fault : 🙄

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#3174149 21-Dec-2023 19:24

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quickymart:Interesting opinion piece looking at why voters don't want Trump vs Biden take 2.

Just talk to any American under 30. "Hopeless" comes to mind.

Can you blame them when then 78 year old Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch "Parkinson's, brain injury???" McConnell was re-elected in 2020?

The members of congress most represented are #1 60-69, then #2 70-79. The average age of the Senate is 64 years. The average American is 38.

From Statista

In a survey of U.S. adults conducted in December 2023, 39 percent of respondents held a very unfavorable opinion of Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

4% of respondents had a very favorable opinion of the Senate Minority Leader.

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#3174157 21-Dec-2023 19:42

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SJB: I think that's unlikely. Aren't the majority of SC judges bought and paid for?

Note in 2000s Thomas failed to disclose his wife’s employment as required by law. She has made, a surprising amount on wealth since Clarence became a justice, now worth $80 Million.

Propublica: A “Delicate Matter”: Clarence Thomas’ Private Complaints About Money Sparked Fears He Would Resign

In early January 2000, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was at a five-star beach resort in Sea Island, Georgia, hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

After almost a decade on the court, Thomas had grown frustrated with his financial situation, according to friends. He had recently started raising his young grandnephew, and Thomas’ wife was soliciting advice on how to handle the new expenses. The month before, the justice had borrowed $267,000 from a friend to buy a high-end RV.

At the resort, Thomas gave a speech at an off-the-record conservative conference. He found himself seated next to a Republican member of Congress on the flight home. The two men talked, and the lawmaker left the conversation worried that Thomas might resign.

Congress should give Supreme Court justices a pay raise, Thomas told him. If lawmakers didn’t act, “one or more justices will leave soon” — maybe in the next year.

At the time, Thomas’ salary was $173,600, equivalent to over $300,000 today. But he was one of the least wealthy members of the court, and on multiple occasions in that period, he pushed for ways to make more money. In other private conversations, Thomas repeatedly talked about removing a ban on justices giving paid speeches.
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#3174169 21-Dec-2023 20:43

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Oh boo-hoo, woe is me 🙄 Hell I know I'd love to earn $173-odd thousand a year.

Maybe he shouldn't be taking the holidays to the five-star resorts or buying expensive-as new RV's 🙄

Absolutely 0 sympathy for this clown - but he's shown himself to be a Trump stooge anyway, so I guess now I like him even less.

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..."The state supreme court did some very, very deep research to make the case that, yes, [the US 14th amendment] sure does apply to presidents. And presidential candidates.

And to that and, among the best and deepest cuts cited in this ruling is this one.

It is a conversation between two senators in that year 1866, as they were literally writing the 14th amendment.

Senator Reverie Johnson worried that the final version of section three did not include the office of the presidency.

He stated, "This amendment does not go far enough because past rebels may be elected president or vice president of the United States."

So, he asked, "why did you omit to exclude them? I do not understand them to be excluded from the privilege of holding the highest offices in the gift of the nation."

Senator Lot moral fielded this objection. He replied, "Let me call the Senators attention to the words, 'or hold any office civil or military under the United States.'"

This answer satisfied Senator johnson who stated, "perhaps, i'm wrong as to the exclusion from the Presidency. No doubt, i am. No doubt, i am."

The senators who literally wrote the 14th amendment specifically meant for it to apply for the presidency.

It does not get any more originalist than that, my friends."

Original records leave no question that the 14th Amendment applies to Trump

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The Atlantic: The Colorado Ruling Calls the Originalists’ Bluff

The Colorado Supreme Court has left the justices of the United States Supreme Court in the very uncomfortable position of having to prove that they have the courage of their stated convictions.

Yesterday, Colorado’s high court ruled in a 4–3 decision that former President Donald Trump, because of his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, is disqualified from appearing on the ballot in Colorado, based on Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The language of that section, written in the aftermath of the Civil War to disqualify former Confederates who had taken up arms against the United States in defense of the institution of human bondage, is short and simple:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

There is no language limiting the power of the section to former Confederates, however, and its scope is sweeping, with no requirement that those engaged in the specified conduct be convicted. Indeed, given the number of people who served in the Confederate army and governments, such a requirement would have been impractical.
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#3174471 22-Dec-2023 11:10

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quickymart:

While I think it's great news, there's probably nothing to stop voters just writing in his name, is there? Is it still counted as a legitimate vote though?

Also what's he going to do if the Supreme Court upholds the lower court's ruling? Keep sulking and playing the victim (and grifting)?

The CO Supreme Court answered that - he's not eligible plain and simple, any write-in votes are just invalid.

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#3174490 22-Dec-2023 11:29

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Biden is firmly in the 'Anyone but Trump' category. Let's hope enough people think that way.

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#3174659 22-Dec-2023 17:45

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Apparently there is actually a recording of Trump breaking the law as he tried to pressure election workers in Michigan. It is not expected to make much difference.

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