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  #1700701 10-Jan-2017 00:34
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The CIA reports didn't really provide any information as to if Russia was indeed responsible for the dnc "hack" incidentally when did a simple phishing email become hacking?
This report looks to me similar to the one that sent the US to Iraq for wmds.

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  #1700703 10-Jan-2017 01:28
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Stan: The CIA reports didn't really provide any information as to if Russia was indeed responsible for the dnc "hack" incidentally when did a simple phishing email become hacking?
This report looks to me similar to the one that sent the US to Iraq for wmds.

 

So they have all been cohersed by an outgoing president to release a report that will get them in trouble with the incoming president? That seems reasonable... (not)




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  #1700704 10-Jan-2017 01:50
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And now for all those that had an idea we'll all get through this with no issues, I present President-Elect of the United States of America, That Moron, D.J.Trump

 

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  #1700709 10-Jan-2017 07:32
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Stan: The CIA reports didn't really provide any information as to if Russia was indeed responsible for the dnc "hack"

That's correct. They claim they have this information but will not release it to protect techniques and sources. Comments like yours are an indication they will have to go a bit further to convince some of the public.

incidentally when did a simple phishing email become hacking?

If it grants unauthorised access it's a hack. Also, it was hundreds of mails. One succeeded.

This report looks to me similar to the one that sent the US to Iraq for wmds.

The American WMD report was doctored by the Bush administration. The conclusions made available to the public were not present in the original WMD report at all. The English WMD report is now widely acknowledged to be essentially made up by Blair's office. There isn't a counterpart to that in this case. Wikipedia has summaries on both.

It's an interesting comparison. My impression is the intelligence chiefs support the summary of the recent report and in fact testified to a recent committee on the basis of facts in the unredacted report.

As far as I am aware, the situation was very different with the public versions of the WMD reports that were produced by the Bush administration.

It's a good point you made. It would be worth understanding these two scenarios in more detail to know any differences.

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  #1700724 10-Jan-2017 09:18
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blakamin:

 

And now for all those that had an idea we'll all get through this with no issues, I present President-Elect of the United States of America, That Moron, D.J.Trump

 

 

 

 

 

 

Long before Trump posted his tweets, there were "guess what Trump will say on twitter" posts on twitter and threads on Reddit. 

 

He's on record for saying his attitude in business is "Get even with people. If they screw you, screw them back 10 times as hard. I really believe it."

 

He's a thin-skinned bullying vengeful petulant cry-baby. 

 

 

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  #1700725 10-Jan-2017 09:19
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I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?

All that aside too all the "hack" allowed people to do is see corruption inside the dnc (being handed debate questions before the debate, collaborating with the media on news stories involving Hillary, the dnc sabotaging Burnie sanders, the difference in public and private position of hillary etc).

I have no allegiance to any candidate both had alot of bad points and some good but this hacking thing seems a tad silly.

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  #1700728 10-Jan-2017 09:26
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Fred99:

 

 

 

He's a thin-skinned bullying vengeful petulant cry-baby. 

 

 

Whose about to have his pudgy tanned finger on the button.

 

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  #1700733 10-Jan-2017 09:38
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Stan: I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?

 

Please don't include / disseminate alt:right  "fake news" in this thread.

 

You have zero evidence that Podesta's password was "password".

 

Assange claims to have evidence that it was at one time "p@ssw0rd" but no evidence that this was his password at the time of the hack.

 

The hack was made after Podesta was taken in by a phishing email - so as that phishing attack was intended to get him to disclose his password - and clearly worked - then the criticism of Podesta's (alleged by Wikileaks and various alt:right sources) weak password is actually not relevant - it's an attempt to try and deflect from the reality that Russia was almost certainly behind the attacks and leaks.

 

 

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  #1700735 10-Jan-2017 09:46
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Fred99:

 

Stan: I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?

 

Please don't include / disseminate alt:right  "fake news" in this thread.

 

You have zero evidence that Podesta's password was "password".

 

Assange claims to have evidence that it was at one time "p@ssw0rd" but no evidence that this was his password at the time of the hack.

 

The hack was made after Podesta was taken in by a phishing email - so as that phishing attack was intended to get him to disclose his password - and clearly worked - then the criticism of Podesta's (alleged by Wikileaks and various alt:right sources) weak password is actually not relevant - it's an attempt to try and deflect from the reality that Russia was almost certainly behind the attacks and leaks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not convinced by the whole thing. The US needs and loves enemies, if it does not have any they will create them as they make great distractions and deflections. It does not matter who the President is or from what cabaret group they are from, Their national anthem should be...

 

 

 

Nobody likes me, everybody hates me,
I think I'll go eat worms!
Big fat juicy ones,
Eensie weensy squeensy ones,
See how they wiggle and squirm!

 


Down goes the first one, down goes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm!
Up comes the first one, up comes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm!

 


I bite off the heads, and suck out the juice,
And throw the skins away!
Nobody knows how fat I grow,
On worms three times a day!

 


Nobody likes me, everybody hates me,
I think I'll go eat worms!
Big fat juicy ones,
Eensie weensy squeensy ones,
See how they wiggle and squirm!

 

 




Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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  #1700737 10-Jan-2017 09:59
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

I am not convinced by the whole thing. The US needs and loves enemies, if it does not have any they will create them as they make great distractions and deflections. It does not matter who the President is or from what cabaret group they are from, Their national anthem should be...

 

 

The US is about 5% of the world population, about 25% of the world wealth, and spends more on its military than the combined expenditure of the next ten most powerful nations.

 

This time there's going to be a president who's a vengeful, evil, petulant, cry-baby. 

 

That's "unpresidented".

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  #1700738 10-Jan-2017 10:05
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Stan: I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?


Please don't include / disseminate alt:right  "fake news" in this thread.


You have zero evidence that Podesta's password was "password".


Assange claims to have evidence that it was at one time "p@ssw0rd" but no evidence that this was his password at the time of the hack.


The hack was made after Podesta was taken in by a phishing email - so as that phishing attack was intended to get him to disclose his password - and clearly worked - then the criticism of Podesta's (alleged by Wikileaks and various alt:right sources) weak password is actually not relevant - it's an attempt to try and deflect from the reality that Russia was almost certainly behind the attacks and leaks.


 



Wikileaks are probably one of the most trusted source you can get.
And I phrashed that comment as a question as it's something I read (possibly on Reddit or some such thing). I'm a skeptic Fred I'm not an "alt right" apologist please make that distinction.

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  #1700744 10-Jan-2017 10:19
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Stan:
Fred99:

 

Stan: I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?

 

 

 

Please don't include / disseminate alt:right  "fake news" in this thread.

 

 

 

You have zero evidence that Podesta's password was "password".

 

 

 

Assange claims to have evidence that it was at one time "p@ssw0rd" but no evidence that this was his password at the time of the hack.

 

 

 

The hack was made after Podesta was taken in by a phishing email - so as that phishing attack was intended to get him to disclose his password - and clearly worked - then the criticism of Podesta's (alleged by Wikileaks and various alt:right sources) weak password is actually not relevant - it's an attempt to try and deflect from the reality that Russia was almost certainly behind the attacks and leaks.

 

 

 

 

 



Wikileaks are probably one of the most trusted source you can get.
And I phrashed that comment as a question as it's something I read (possibly on Reddit or some such thing). I'm a skeptic Fred I'm not an "alt right" apologist please make that distinction.

 

 

 

The material posted by Wikileaks is "selective". 

 

The authenticity of leaked documents may be verifiable, but the agenda of those who leaked the information is not transparent.  Nor is it clear whether Wikileaks selectively withhold or release leaked information given to them with an agenda  

 

Anyway - you have posted (inadvertently) "fake news" - there is no evidence that Podestas password was "password".  There is evidence it wasn't - and a good argument that whatever his password, it didn't really matter as he "gave it away" when he was phished.

 

Alt:right have been trying to create doubt in order to dissociate Russia from the use of the leaked material to influence the US election result.  Based on the evidence the US security agencies have, there's consensus that Russia was deeply involved.

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  #1700756 10-Jan-2017 10:27
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Fred99:

 

MikeB4:

 

 

 

I am not convinced by the whole thing. The US needs and loves enemies, if it does not have any they will create them as they make great distractions and deflections. It does not matter who the President is or from what cabaret group they are from, Their national anthem should be...

 

 

The US is about 5% of the world population, about 25% of the world wealth, and spends more on its military than the combined expenditure of the next ten most powerful nations.

 

This time there's going to be a president who's a vengeful, evil, petulant, cry-baby. 

 

That's "unpresidented".

 

 

 

 

I am not really into name calling so I will ignore the second line. As for the message, it would not be logical for a man that has accumulation of wealth as his prime motivator to use those weapons as it would wreak the very thing he loves the most.




Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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  #1700759 10-Jan-2017 10:44
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Fred99:

 

Stan: I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?

 

Please don't include / disseminate alt:right  "fake news" in this thread.

 

You have zero evidence that Podesta's password was "password".

 

It's 100% fake news. His password was not "password", because Gmail does not and has never allowed you to use that as a password.




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  #1700762 10-Jan-2017 10:49
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

I am not really into name calling so I will ignore the second line. As for the message, it would not be logical for a man that has accumulation of wealth as his prime motivator to use those weapons as it would wreak the very thing he loves the most.

 

 

Name calling is an attempt to make someone look ridiculous or morally deficient by assigning attributes to them that are not warranted or at least not proven. In the case of Trump, every label used, with the possible exception of 'cry baby', has been publicly documented. The man genuinely is vengeful, evil and petulant, so name calling doesn't come into it.

 

  




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