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#2026354 31-May-2018 16:30

I see the Auckland council has voted to go ahead with their regional fuel tax. Luckily media have listed which councilors voted for and against. Makes voting in the council elections much easier next time.
The cries from those who support 'the poor', have already begun. People already living right on the edge can't afford to find an extra $15 to fill the tank each week. They are surely the ones that will be hit hardest because they are poorly served by public transport and many work multiple jobs at hours that are not even contemplated by the transport planners in their ivory towers. So the next step will be some sort of community fuel card, the government will collect even more taxes and redistribute it. Working for drivers anyone?

Why is my comment on this thread? Because the current government are the ones that provided the enabling legislation.

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#2026967 1-Jun-2018 15:23

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12062910

Worth reading reading Just how many more failures did we have happening with the previous Govt. I hope like hell that this group can improve surely they couldnt be worse Middlemore Meth houses and the list boes on?????

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#2027166 1-Jun-2018 18:41

It's obvious the audit trail was inadequate for the potential tasks some time ago and very little effort made to educate on compliance. Without the audit trail for stock movements it's a hopeless task in the event of an issue arising, as it has. I'm not sure it fits this topic. It would not be the first thing tho : ).

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#2027372 2-Jun-2018 09:58

Dingbatt:
The cries from those who support 'the poor', have already begun. People already living right on the edge can't afford to find an extra $15 to fill the tank each week.

How does $0.115 per litre tax = an "extra $15 to fill the tank each week"?

People living on the edge use 130 litres of petrol a week?

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#2028083 4-Jun-2018 08:07

Fred99:

Dingbatt:
The cries from those who support 'the poor', have already begun. People already living right on the edge can't afford to find an extra $15 to fill the tank each week.

How does $0.115 per litre tax = an "extra $15 to fill the tank each week"?

People living on the edge use 130 litres of petrol a week?

People living on the edge would have had their tax cut by now. An average wage earner would have been receiving a tax cut of $1060 a year.

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#2028168 4-Jun-2018 10:26

Wiggum:
Fred99:

Dingbatt:
The cries from those who support 'the poor', have already begun. People already living right on the edge can't afford to find an extra $15 to fill the tank each week.

How does $0.115 per litre tax = an "extra $15 to fill the tank each week"?

People living on the edge use 130 litres of petrol a week?

People living on the edge would have had their tax cut by now. An average wage earner would have been receiving a tax cut of $1060 a year.

Which tax cut is this? As Labour cancelled Nationals planned tax cuts.

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#2028188 4-Jun-2018 11:19

Aredwood:
Wiggum:

Fred99:

Dingbatt:
The cries from those who support 'the poor', have already begun. People already living right on the edge can't afford to find an extra $15 to fill the tank each week.

How does $0.115 per litre tax = an "extra $15 to fill the tank each week"?

People living on the edge use 130 litres of petrol a week?

People living on the edge would have had their tax cut by now. An average wage earner would have been receiving a tax cut of $1060 a year.

Which tax cut is this? As Labour cancelled Nationals planned tax cuts.

Nationals tax cut would have come into affect in April 2018. Labour canned it.

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#2028198 4-Jun-2018 12:08

Aredwood:
Wiggum:

Fred99:

Dingbatt:
The cries from those who support 'the poor', have already begun. People already living right on the edge can't afford to find an extra $15 to fill the tank each week.

How does $0.115 per litre tax = an "extra $15 to fill the tank each week"?

People living on the edge use 130 litres of petrol a week?

People living on the edge would have had their tax cut by now. An average wage earner would have been receiving a tax cut of $1060 a year.

Which tax cut is this? As Labour cancelled Nationals planned tax cuts.

So far Labour has totally pooped on people living on the edge.

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#2029293 4-Jun-2018 15:26

Wiggum:

Nationals tax cut would have come into affect in April 2018. Labour canned it.

OMFG!

Must have been just you - and perhaps the congregation of the exclusive brethren church - without TV, radio, newspapers, or internet - who didn't notice that's exactly what they campaigned on last year.

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#2029391 4-Jun-2018 19:58

Fred99:

Wiggum:

Nationals tax cut would have come into affect in April 2018. Labour canned it.

OMFG!

Must have been just you - and perhaps the congregation of the exclusive brethren church - without TV, radio, newspapers, or internet - who didn't notice that's exactly what they campaigned on last year.

Sorry. I missed your point?

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#2029545 5-Jun-2018 00:19

Wiggum:
Fred99:

Wiggum:

Nationals tax cut would have come into affect in April 2018. Labour canned it.

OMFG!

Must have been just you - and perhaps the congregation of the exclusive brethren church - without TV, radio, newspapers, or internet - who didn't notice that's exactly what they campaigned on last year.

Sorry. I missed your point?

It’s the sharp bit at the end but that’s not important right now...! ;-)

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#2029572 5-Jun-2018 08:42

Let's stop referring to them as "Tax Cuts" shall we?

No rate of tax was being cut. All that was happening was a threshold adjustment to the lowest two tax brackets.

(Something that Labour-led governments appear to be ideologically opposed to. So much so that we're very nearly at the point where someone on the average wage is paying tax in the highest tax bracket!)

So, to be clear, Labour didn't campaign to abolish National's "Tax Cuts"... they campaigned to reverse the income bracket adjustments.

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#2029579 5-Jun-2018 08:53

Geektastic:
Wiggum:

Fred99:

Wiggum:

Nationals tax cut would have come into affect in April 2018. Labour canned it.

OMFG!

Must have been just you - and perhaps the congregation of the exclusive brethren church - without TV, radio, newspapers, or internet - who didn't notice that's exactly what they campaigned on last year.

Sorry. I missed your point?

It’s the sharp bit at the end but that’s not important right now...! ;-)

I got that part, just trying to work how how/when I applied that labour did not campaign on it.

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#2029580 5-Jun-2018 08:55

6FIEND:

Let's stop referring to them as "Tax Cuts" shall we?

No rate of tax was being cut. All that was happening was a threshold adjustment to the lowest two tax brackets.

(Something that Labour-led governments appear to be ideologically opposed to. So much so that we're very nearly at the point where someone on the average wage is paying tax in the highest tax bracket!)

So, to be clear, Labour didn't campaign to abolish National's "Tax Cuts"... they campaigned to reverse the income bracket adjustments.

Quite wrong....they very clearly used the words tax cuts. So did National. Maybe you listen to a different TV channel to me.

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#2029641 5-Jun-2018 09:49

@Pumpedd It has nothing to do with TV channels.

Labour used "tax cuts" as a pejorative.

National used "tax cuts" as an enticement.

Both parties used the term inappropriately.

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