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  #3306760 8-Nov-2024 00:18
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Bung: It's not easy to amend the Constitution. It looks like you need 2/3 of both the House and the Senate to agree on the amendment and 3/4 of the States to ratify it.

 

You don't really need to change it.  Like many other countries, the US reserves emergency powers for the President in case of, well, emergencies.  For example the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, extended with some WWII law whose name I can't remember and then the Emergency Economic Powers Act allows the president to rule by decree in certain areas.  Using the ongoing emergency of (from memory) the Korean War, presidential decrees which bypass congress have been ongoing for decades now.  The trick is to make them about things that people don't care much about, or that only a small group of people care about, so they don't get much attention.


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  #3306761 8-Nov-2024 00:27
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Technofreak: The way it was explained to me by someone who was in the US quite recently and spoke with a lot of people in different parts of the US was they were looking for change. They wouldn't be as much voting for Trump as voting for change. Harris was going to be Biden II and they hadn't done well under Biden. Cost of living was up massively.

 

Reading a discussion in an otherwise mostly non-political forum where they briefly allowed some politics, a lot of the people on the Trump side were saying that they voted against Harris because she'd do the things Trump promised he'd do.  In other words a vote for Harris is a vote for a wannabe dictator who'll take it out on her enemies, etc.  It's a pretty warped reality they're living in, and damn effective brainwashing by Fox and friends.


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  #3307018 8-Nov-2024 17:51
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My prediction is that Putin will pullout of Ukraine and stop war after talking to trump

Not because of his great negotiation power of trump
But as a play by Putin to give trump the appearance of being a negotiator

Americans who voted for trump will again be amazed by the negotiation skills of trump



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  #3307022 8-Nov-2024 17:57
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Eitsop: My prediction is that Putin will pullout of Ukraine and stop war after talking to trump

Not because of his great negotiation power of trump
But as a play by Putin to give trump the appearance of being a negotiator

Americans who voted for trump will again be amazed by the negotiation skills of trump


 

What on earth would be the upside for Putin?





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  #3307028 8-Nov-2024 18:01
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jarledb:

Eitsop: My prediction is that Putin will pullout of Ukraine and stop war after talking to trump

Not because of his great negotiation power of trump
But as a play by Putin to give trump the appearance of being a negotiator

Americans who voted for trump will again be amazed by the negotiation skills of trump



What on earth would be the upside for Putin?



That America wouldn’t allow Ukraine into nato

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  #3307075 8-Nov-2024 20:36
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Eitsop: 

 

That America wouldn’t allow Ukraine into nato

 

 

 

Quite the reverse. 

 

No one in Europe believes appeasement for a dictator ever works, they have been there done that. They have also watched Putin break treaties with other countries.

 

Trump also want to pull US forces out of Germany, so again Europe loses trust in the USA so see need for GREATER local strength, including greater support for Ukraine. The USA may end up being forced to leave, why would you have an untrusted military in your country.

 

It may well be NATO includes Ukraine, but no longer has the USA. This fits in with Trumps isolationist ideology. The recent additions to the NATO alliance is part of the strengthening .

 

This will end up causing a proliferation of nuclear weapons , lots of countries relied on the USA nuclear deterrence factor. If that seems unreliable, they will want to hold that card themselves and not be subject to a capricious "friend".

 

Any threats of tariffs will only increase prices in the USA , attempts at sanctions only work if others will follow, the EU will still trade in the EU, its at this point that the US becomes isolated politically, economically and geographically.

 

Trump is a bully, he will simply believe he can force everyone to do as he demands.


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  #3307106 9-Nov-2024 07:40
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This commentary believes Putin won't be happy with any agreement with Ukraine; it's a stepping stone toward getting Poland, and others.

Ukrainians I've talked to believe any agreement with Putin would just be used for Russia to regroup, followed quickly by another "special military operation"

What a Trump Victory Means for Ukraine

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  #3307124 9-Nov-2024 09:58
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kingdragonfly: This commentary believes Putin won't be happy with any agreement with Ukraine; it's a stepping stone toward getting Poland, and others.

Ukrainians I've talked to believe any agreement with Putin would just be used for Russia to regroup, followed quickly by another "special military operation"


 

Poland is rapidly upping its military, they have zero intention of being next.

 

ALL of Europe must do the same.

 

Ukraine (and Europes) best hope at the moment is Winter. Find all the transport routes for food, water, clothing, ammunition, etc and eliminate them. Take out bridges, mine roads, eliminate rail, these things can not be repaired during winter, they leak the man power, the skills, the materials.

 

Use thermal imaging, find where heat sources are, and eliminate them. Its winter you are going to get the best temperature differential possible so they will be easier to find.

 

Look for tracks in the snow , they will lead back to stores, supplies, etc , eliminate them.

 

Start transmitting into Moscow etc how Putin wants a nuclear war, and that will forever remove Moscow from the planet. We will not shoot first, but we sure as hell shoot back.
The USA and China are NOT going to want that kind of hot war.
Come to an agreement with China that Putin / Russia must be stopped, allow for longer range weapons, allow European troops ...and have that agreement made PUBLIC, let every Russian ambassador know.

 

The ONLY thing bully respects, is a bigger bully.

 

Russia can withdraw from Ukraine and Crimea, and Europe will respect those boarders....unless Russia continues its aggression.

 

THEN they can talk reparations.

 

And they need to do this NOW, before trump turns off satellite imagery.


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  #3307210 9-Nov-2024 13:34
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Putin at this point has no encouragement to offer any concessions.
He can just push out their maximal positions.

 

Like Trump he wants nothing less than a winning result for his faithful will accept, 
and a big party afterwards with Nobel prize.
 
So you want quick and dirty, I want quick and dirty here it is. 
We have a grand banquet and celebrations ready in next room for you just sign here, now. 

 

I did hear one of Putin's demands will be substantial reoperations for Russia.


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  #3307314 9-Nov-2024 18:35
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sir1963: The ONLY thing bully respects, is a bigger bully.

 

That's literally the case here.  As I've pointed out in the past, a psychopath (technically someone with a cluster B personality disorder) sees compromise as a sign of weakness to be exploited, not a legitimate attempt to reach a solution.  So giving in over Ukraine will be issuing an invitation for Putin to invade the Baltic states next.


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  #3307327 9-Nov-2024 19:47
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Can Trump really make all that happen by just telling Putin to do "whatever the hell you want" with Ukraine (as I believe he said previously)?

 

Of course, if US aid stops flowing, that would be a different story.


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  #3307330 9-Nov-2024 20:05
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I’m sorry but boogy men under the bed should not be scaring me and that does scare me!





Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.


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  #3307331 9-Nov-2024 20:08
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quickymart:

 

Can Trump really make all that happen by just telling Putin to do "whatever the hell you want" with Ukraine (as I believe he said previously)?

 

Of course, if US aid stops flowing, that would be a different story.

 

 

He has also said he wants to pull US troops out of Germany.

 

As I have said, Europes ONLY hope is to go all in with Ukraine. Treat Trump/USA as an untrusted nation, and kick that nation out of Europe, diplomatically, economically, and militarily.

 

Trumps isolationist ideology... in the end look incredibly like being the bad end of international sanctions. The world just says NO.


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  #3307362 9-Nov-2024 22:03
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Extending my earlier comment on the Constitution, and people who seem to see it as some sort of immutable law of nature: It's not a law of nature, it's a sometimes vaguely-worded document that's interpreted by a bunch of Trump-appointed toady judges and for which enforcement, if there is any, would be by a bunch of Trump-appointed toady administrators.  For someone who doesn't respect the law and doesn't play by the rules, it's at most a speedbump, not a hard stop.

 

Have a look at the 1936 Soviet Constitution, it's amazingly liberal and way, way ahead of almost anything any other country had.  It guaranteed women's rights, maternity leave with full pay, freedom of religion and speech, banned discrimination based on race or ethnicity, heck, the US still doesn't have some of this stuff today.  The country that had that as its fundamental law must have been great to live in.

 

It's also known as the Stalin Constitution.


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  #3307385 9-Nov-2024 23:45
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Interesting look at how he won: https://newrepublic.com/post/188197/trump-media-information-landscape-fox

 

Basically, this story points the finger at right-wing media, but also memes, which didn't necessarily come directly from Trump and co - but his team certainly picked up some of the weirder ones and amplified them:

 

And this year, Fox and the rest of the right-wing media elected him. I discussed all this Thursday with Matthew Gertz of Media Matters for America, who watches lots of Fox News so the rest of us don’t have to. He made the crucial point—and you must understand this—that nearly all the crazy memes that percolated into the news-stream during this election came not from Trump or JD Vance originally, but from somewhere in the right-wing media ecosystem.


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