Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

To post in this sub-forum you must have made 100 posts or have Trust status or have completed our ID Verification

Forums › Politics › Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

1 | ... | 235 | 236 | 237 | 238 | 239 | 240 | 241 | 242 | 243 | 244 | 245 | ... | 248

8088 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3871

#3482822 21-Apr-2026 16:43

ezbee:

Keep trucking bulk freight at 3-5x fuel use of diesel trains, and electric ones even better as its domestic energy.

The thing is you can't just move freight by rail. You also need road transport. Massive areas of this country aren't served by trains at all.

If trained freight in NZ was cheap and reliable, more companies would use it.

Mike

GV27

5991 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4218

#3482900 21-Apr-2026 20:35

SaltyNZ:

Well in that case, you have already heard it. It'll be the same as it always is if you vote for Labour or National. Neoliberal trickle-down economics, with your choice of either tomato sauce or mayonnaise.

Well yea but I'm hanging out for some specific answers, which I suppose I will get at some stage. But there's no good reason we can't have them now.

I just would prefer to have National asked why they're not doing whatever those things are now whilst actually in power and Labour asked why arbitrarily holding off until the Budget to announce anything can be justified if they want to taken seriously when criticising the status quo.

SaltyNZ

8960 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9778

Trusted

2degrees

Lifetime subscriber

#3482913 22-Apr-2026 06:47

GV27:

I just would prefer to have National asked why they're not doing whatever those things are now whilst actually in power and Labour asked why arbitrarily holding off until the Budget to announce anything can be justified if they want to taken seriously when criticising the status quo.

Completely fair, yes!

iPad Pro 11" + iPhone 15 Pro Max + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

Handle9

11969 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9760

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#3482915 22-Apr-2026 07:00

SaltyNZ:

GV27:

However I would like to hear from the majority party in our future government, whomstever that may be, at some point about what they have in mind.

Well in that case, you have already heard it. It'll be the same as it always is if you vote for Labour or National. Neoliberal trickle-down economics, with your choice of either tomato sauce or mayonnaise.

If you think governments running massive deficits for over a decade is neoliberalism then we have very definitions of neoliberalism.

quickymart

15012 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 14099

ID Verified

#3482916 22-Apr-2026 07:54

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-04-2026/luxon-calls-the-rebels-bluff-nzs-political-grandmaster-calls-it-a-very-bad-move

Winston not impressed with Luxon's confidence vote by his own party, and says it may come back later on to bite him.

sen8or

1915 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1423

#3482917 22-Apr-2026 08:11

SaltyNZ:

GV27:

I just would prefer to have National asked why they're not doing whatever those things are now whilst actually in power and Labour asked why arbitrarily holding off until the Budget to announce anything can be justified if they want to taken seriously when criticising the status quo.

Completely fair, yes!

National are in a lose/lose situation -

1 - If they roll out whatever policies they have in the pipeline now, it won't be fresh come election time and it will allow the opposition plenty of time to critique and pull apart the (more than likely) holes in the policies to show how incompetent our Govt are or at least tweak their own to show why theirs are better.

2 - If they don't roll out policies, then they look like a party without any ideas

They stick to the "we have a plan" headline, but that only works when things are going well

Quic Broadband

Move to New Zealand's best fibre broadband service (affiliate link). Free setup code: R587125ERQ6VE. Note that to use Quic Broadband you must be comfortable with configuring your own router.

gzt

18842 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 7970

Lifetime subscriber

#3482918 22-Apr-2026 08:13

I didn't get Peters' meaning on that one. The article does not explain it either.

I missed the meaning of Shane Jones' "Butter chicken tsunami" headlines initially I thought he was criticising the lack of variety in David Seymour's school lunch program. Reading a few days later I see it's NZ First doing racist as usual.

The prime minister should have reacted more strongly on that basis. The reaction was disappointing imo.

SaltyNZ

8960 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9778

Trusted

2degrees

Lifetime subscriber

#3482924 22-Apr-2026 08:39

gzt: I didn't get Peters' meaning on that one. The article does not explain it either.

I missed the meaning of Shane Jones' "Butter chicken tsunami" headlines initially I thought he was criticising the lack of variety in David Seymour's school lunch program. Reading a few days later I see it's NZ First doing racist as usual.

The prime minister should have reacted more strongly on that basis. The reaction was disappointing imo.

Luxon is stuck. He has no path to a second term without NZF, so he is totally unable to criticise them in any way lest he incur the wrath of Winston.

Not exactly sure what Winston is up to ... his "I will never work with Chris Hipkins" line doesn't seem to have had any impact on the Labour party and the way things are going it doesn't need to. I think this is why Jones et al are off the chain now. Their best bet is to steal as many votes as possible, and the racists are a demographic that cuts across the spectrum.

I doubt that Hipkins would fall for another NZF coalition though. He's already been shafted by Winston once. Anything that government tried to do would be instantly reversed again next time Winston switched sides; you'd just be wasting your time.

iPad Pro 11" + iPhone 15 Pro Max + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

quickymart

15012 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 14099

ID Verified

#3482936 22-Apr-2026 09:37

gzt: I didn't get Peters' meaning on that one. The article does not explain it either.

I think this one from the Herald explains his viewpoint better: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/winston-peters-says-he-would-have-advised-christopher-luxon-against-caucus-confidence-vote/NALYJFXOVRELPFX2L3FCZREARM/

“When something unprecedented like that happens, it invites a similar thing to happen next time there is, guess what? ... a series of bad polls. It’s inevitable,” said the Foreign Affairs Minister.

...

Peters said if he had spoken to the Prime Minister before “the event”, he would have advised him against it.

“You’ve got to ask yourself, so what would be the wisdom and the logic behind that?”

It sends the wrong message to voters, said Peters.

ezbee

2679 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3135

#3482937 22-Apr-2026 09:41

NZF had repeated troubles with followers calling him promise breaker in past coalitions with Labour.
Has to promise never to do it again, again.

Though push comes to shove.
There is more money being in cabinet and capability to be a handbrake.
So more useful to the big donors Fishing etc in Government.
NZF gets some very big donations for its % of vote.

NZF would probably be less trouble than TPM who are a long way from being ready for compromises being a minor party in cabinet requires.

tdgeek

30055 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9477

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#3482980 22-Apr-2026 11:43

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360968233/peters-warns-instability-after-pms-leadership-moveagreement

Peters has some good points

BUT he should be telling that to National in-house, not in the media

Clearly he is on the election trail for HIMSELF, so a bit of #potblack

Dyson

Shop now for Dyson appliances (affiliate link).

SaltyNZ

8960 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9778

Trusted

2degrees

Lifetime subscriber

#3482988 22-Apr-2026 12:18

Nicola Willis appears confused at the moment.

Nicola Willis has launched a broadside at Winston Peters, saying he has a "track record of picking Labour over National, and that's the risk you run with him".

The National Party deputy leader took aim at her coalition partner after he earlier told RNZ Christopher Luxon was wrong to not warn him of Tuesday's motion of confidence under the no-surprises clause in the coalition agreement.

The comments from both senior ministers on RNZ's Morning Report signalled the election campaign has well and truly begun, with Willis also saying Peters was "mischief-making".

She went on to say that Labour was "choosing to get into bed with the party that referred to Indians choosing to come to New Zealand as a 'butter chicken tsunami'".

So, just to clear things up for you, Nicola:

Your party has been in a coalition government with the party that referred to Indians choosing to come to New Zealand as "a butter chicken tsunami" for 2.5 years, not Labour
Your party has not broken that coalition with the party that referred to Indians choosing to come to New Zealand as "a butter chicken tsunami" over those comments
Your party has no chance of getting a second term without a coalition with the party that referred to Indians choosing to come to New Zealand as "a butter chicken tsunami"
Perhaps, if two thirds of parliament think you signed a bad deal, you signed a bad deal

Note - I have not strong feelings on whether the deal was good or not; I'm no expert on these matters. Just that it's bonkers for Willis to be criticising Labour on this.

iPad Pro 11" + iPhone 15 Pro Max + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

quickymart

15012 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 14099

ID Verified

#3482997 22-Apr-2026 13:00

Luxon has just changed his tack:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/christopher-luxon-fires-up-at-winston-peters-says-nz-first-responsible-for-prime-minister-dame-jacinda-ardern/YTH33XYROVCBFGFR6ER6DXPK4A/

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has fired up at his coalition partner New Zealand First, including claiming its leader Winston Peters is trying to “scaremonger” and reminding New Zealanders the party put Dame Jacinda Ardern into power.

I wonder what Winston will do next? He's not one to let stuff go lightly (usually). For Luxon's part, it seems (to me) like he's trying to burn his bridges with Winston - even though he may need them in a few months time.

SaltyNZ

8960 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9778

Trusted

2degrees

Lifetime subscriber

#3482998 22-Apr-2026 13:04

quickymart:

Luxon has just changed his tack:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/christopher-luxon-fires-up-at-winston-peters-says-nz-first-responsible-for-prime-minister-dame-jacinda-ardern/YTH33XYROVCBFGFR6ER6DXPK4A/

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has fired up at his coalition partner New Zealand First, including claiming its leader Winston Peters is trying to “scaremonger” and reminding New Zealanders the party put Dame Jacinda Ardern into power.

I wonder what Winston will do next? He's not one to let stuff go lightly (usually). For Luxon's part, it seems (to me) like he's trying to burn his bridges with Winston - even though he may need them in a few months time.

Wow, Willis' brain rot has spread. Or did it go the other way? Winston Peters put you in power, numbnuts!

iPad Pro 11" + iPhone 15 Pro Max + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

sen8or

1915 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1423

#3483065 22-Apr-2026 13:50

SaltyNZ:

Wow, Willis' brain rot has spread. Or did it go the other way? Winston Peters put you in power, numbnuts!

But thats different...... because of we only do good things with his support, labour did bad things (I'm assuming thats the mentality of it anyway)

I think Winston is currently 2-1 National vs Labour as coalition partners (?), National can hardly throw stones at who would give up more to get into (or retain) power.

1 | ... | 235 | 236 | 237 | 238 | 239 | 240 | 241 | 242 | 243 | 244 | 245 | ... | 248