Jacinda Ardern - our new PM

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#2092622 18-Sep-2018 15:38

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@networkn I think Rob Muldoon, Geoffrey Palmer and Mike Moore still have the lead for that title but she is closing the gap fast

Interesting element to that comment... two of the three names on your list were only PM for a brief period (less than a full electoral term) following the resignation of a Labour Prime Minister.

If Ardern were to resign, then Kelvin Davis would become Leader of the Labour Party (and conceivably, PM*) and he would almost certainly be rolled in short order by either Robertson or Andrew Little, which could see history repeating itself.

*this would depend on the (supressed) detail of the coalition agreement though.

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#2092626 18-Sep-2018 15:40

No chance KD becomes PM. It would be the end of the country :)

I bet $100 right now that the document in question which is suppressed, says WP is second in line to the throne.

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#2092632 18-Sep-2018 15:44

6FIEND:

MikeB4:

@networkn I think Rob Muldoon, Geoffrey Palmer and Mike Moore still have the lead for that title but she is closing the gap fast

Interesting element to that comment... two of the three names on your list were only PM for a brief period (less than a full electoral term) following the resignation of a Labour Prime Minister.

If Ardern were to resign, then Kelvin Davis would become Leader of the Labour Party (and conceivably, PM*) and he would almost certainly be rolled in short order by either Robertson or Andrew Little, which could see history repeating itself.

*this would depend on the (supressed) detail of the coalition agreement though.

What a truly horrible thought

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#2092638 18-Sep-2018 15:55

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I was in school and had a keen interest in politics when Muldoon became PM, what a train wreck.

Haha I remember Muldoon there was no pc politics back then what he said went he was such a control freak.

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#2092657 18-Sep-2018 16:11

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107160622/prime-ministers-office-admits-mistake-over-arderns-economic-growth-hint-claim

/me smh

...and her response to this simply takes the cake!

She denied she was confused.

Ardern:
"I know what I was talking about. Unfortunately the question I was being asked was something else."

I recall feeling like (both me and wife) every time we have a small baby. It's amazing what lack of sleep does to you. I mean me and my wife.

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#2092675 18-Sep-2018 16:34

I recall feeling like (both me and wife) every time we have a small baby. It's amazing what lack of sleep does to you. I mean me and my wife.

Whilst I sympathize and have been through having small babies, she chose to come back to work saying she could do both jobs justice. If that's not the case perhaps she might consider stepping down until she can get things straightened out.

The only issue with that, is the replacement is a different type of awful.

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#2092680 18-Sep-2018 16:51

networkn:

I recall feeling like (both me and wife) every time we have a small baby. It's amazing what lack of sleep does to you. I mean me and my wife.

Whilst I sympathize and have been through having small babies, she chose to come back to work saying she could do both jobs justice. If that's not the case perhaps she might consider stepping down until she can get things straightened out.

The only issue with that, is the replacement is a different type of awful.

I honestly believe that the only reason why Ardern hasn't done the sensible/responsible thing (for her mental health, for her baby's wellbeing, for the economy's sake, and for her personal reputation) and resigned... Is because of the sheer unsuitability of anyone in the coalition who might replace her.

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#2092690 18-Sep-2018 17:26

Soper sums it up well.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/andrew-dickens-afternoons/audio/barry-soper-major-cockup-by-ardern-on-gdp-comments/

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#2092707 18-Sep-2018 17:41

I wonder what her reaction would be if it were one of her Caucus that had done this.

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#2092738 18-Sep-2018 19:01

6FIEND:

MikeB4:

@networkn I think Rob Muldoon, Geoffrey Palmer and Mike Moore still have the lead for that title but she is closing the gap fast

Interesting element to that comment... two of the three names on your list were only PM for a brief period (less than a full electoral term) following the resignation of a Labour Prime Minister.

If Ardern were to resign, then Kelvin Davis would become Leader of the Labour Party (and conceivably, PM*) and he would almost certainly be rolled in short order by either Robertson or Andrew Little, which could see history repeating itself.

*this would depend on the (supressed) detail of the coalition agreement though.

Please not Andrew Little again. He was an absolute train wreck on Morning Report. Even when asked a question where he should have been able to shine he would stumble and bumble. Absolutely terrible when in the top job - same as Shearer. Both of these guys are good performers as Ministers but not PM or Leader of the Opposition material.

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#2092867 18-Sep-2018 20:59

6FIEND:

I honestly believe that the only reason why Ardern hasn't done the sensible/responsible thing (for her mental health, for her baby's wellbeing, for the economy's sake, and for her personal reputation) and resigned... Is because of the sheer unsuitability of anyone in the coalition who might replace her.

I am unsure about both points. I think she has ambition in spades. She has been trying her best to twist things so she can have her anti-nuclear moment and cement her place in history.

Grant Robertson is the person in a pinch I'd pick as her replacement, though I have lost a *lot* of respect for him as the year has progressed. Hearing him interviewed over business confidence actually left me with even less confidence that a) he had a plan to do something about it b) that he thought there was even a problem in the first place. Plus if he's PM it's unlikely he keeps the finance portfolio and the thought of someone else with that role from the coalition scares the living snot out of me.

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#2092868 18-Sep-2018 21:00

There is no reason for PM to resign!

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#2092967 19-Sep-2018 09:16

You know you are treading on thin Ice when Labour cheerleader Soper can't find a nice thing to say about your coalition.

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#2093020 19-Sep-2018 09:55

6FIEND:

for her mental health, for her baby's wellbeing

Blatant racism is banned in these forums - perhaps blatant sexism should be too - in this circle-jerk of (probably mainly middle-aged white men) pushing their antiquated conservative patriarchal values on women.

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#2093027 19-Sep-2018 10:07

With the "name" for the Government changing from 'Labour led coalition' to 'The Coalition' a signal is being sent that there is a power struggle with in the coalition which could explain some of the mistakes. The distraction would seem to be that power struggle. I would suggest that having tasted the Prime Minister role Winston Peters is having difficulty in handing back the leadership and his agenda is driving things behind the doors. I wonder how long the glue with adhere to the agreement and I feel that the coalition is in trouble.

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