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#3502418 12-Jun-2026 14:52

gzt: Reasoning that footage should not be subject to OIA because someone just might be taking a shower or a slash in that environment seems absolutely spurious reasoning.

It is trivial to deal with the (potential) issue before release particularly with modern tools available.

Imo the main issue is that the industry does not want the public to be influenced by pictures of dead and dying dolphins, and also pictures of other bycatch, and (while minimised) the generally destructive result of trawling which is somewhat inevitable in many trawling operations and accepted.

If the problem is just having to watch someone shit, I can live with that if it helps the fish.

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#3502431 12-Jun-2026 15:25

Rikkitic:

If the problem is just having to watch someone shit, I can live with that if it helps the fish.

Whether MPI and the public can see footage, instead of just MPI doesn't help the fish at all.

The problem is having 24/7 video of your workplace subject to the OIA. I'm not aware of another enforcement situation where video footage is subject to the OIA. A fishing boat is private property. There is some reasonable expectation of privacy.

Perhaps a useful analogy would be dashcams. Imagine govt required dashcams, pointed at the inside of the car, and that footage is subject to the OIA. Motorists would hate that.

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#3502433 12-Jun-2026 15:31

I guess the real question is what is the benefit of footage being requestable via the OIA? Is there a real and actual benefit to the public of the footage being able to be requested?

If the fishing industry, and the frequently prosecuted Talleys in particular, hadn’t been donors to NZ first then there wouldn’t be the same perception of corruption.

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#3502493 12-Jun-2026 19:53

wellygary:

Witnessing any large creature Dead or Dying is pretty impactful...
Most people would be pretty horrified to witness the processing of cattle at an abattoir ...

But, items released under the OIA are generally copyright free and can subsequently used for any purpose...
Damn sure the meat industry wouldn't want SAFE having free access to footage from inside the local meatworks..

Especially if the local meatworks kept accidentally killing local dogs and cats.

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#3502607 13-Jun-2026 12:47

NZHerald scroll ad yesterday. The National Party campaign advertising has started:

Scrolling presentation was something like:

- Blue page - National is responsible
- Red page - Labour = more tax
- Green page - Green = tax more and more
- Black Page - Maori = little text, actual content left up to any reader's irrational fear imo.

Could at least have used correct colours for Te Pati.

I would have saved the screenshots but initially mistook the first blue background for a Briscoes ad ; ).

I've seen no similar response from Labour at this time.

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#3502709 13-Jun-2026 22:15

The Broadcasting Standards Authority will be abolished and replaced with "self-regulation"

https://www.1news.co.nz/2026/05/06/broadcasting-standards-authority-to-be-axed-self-regulation-signalled/

Imo most people have come to expect and demand a high standard from NZ broadcasters. Particularly when it comes to ending the thoughtless scapegoating and insulting of minorities that some broadcasters clearly wish to engage in without any restraint.

Imo self-regulation mechanisms will quickly take a back seat and are not going to deliver a similar result.

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#3502714 13-Jun-2026 22:55

I did hear some of its functions could have potentially been absorbed into the Press Council but it looks like that came to nothing.

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#3502715 13-Jun-2026 23:14

Personally I would not advocate that every single Tom and Harry with a YouTube show should be covered by the BSA. But I do think the BSA were correct to begin to look in that direction, and consider what the audience threshold or criteria might be, and consider what the public interest might be in that commercial arena.

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#3502726 14-Jun-2026 08:27

An agency, sure. But not the BSA and not by self-appointed decree.

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#3502782 14-Jun-2026 09:43

GV27:

An agency, sure. But not the BSA and not by self-appointed decree.

Why not the BSA? Why "another agency"?

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#3502783 14-Jun-2026 09:48

gzt: Personally I would not advocate that every single Tom and Harry with a YouTube show should be covered by the BSA. But I do think the BSA were correct to begin to look in that direction, and consider what the audience threshold or criteria might be, and consider what the public interest might be in that commercial arena.

It's a culture war. Some people who have an audience large enough to be considered "a broadcaster" don't want to be limited in any way. As we've seen in other countries, they will try to put out fake news and conspiracy theories, while not wanting to answer for any of that.

If they are reminded by an official regulatory body they can't do that, they cry "censorship", while claiming the mainstream media is fake.

Typical of propaganda and misinformation.

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#3502823 14-Jun-2026 14:22

freitasm:

gzt: Personally I would not advocate that every single Tom and Harry with a YouTube show should be covered by the BSA. But I do think the BSA were correct to begin to look in that direction, and consider what the audience threshold or criteria might be, and consider what the public interest might be in that commercial arena.

It's a culture war. Some people who have an audience large enough to be considered "a broadcaster" don't want to be limited in any way. As we've seen in other countries, they will try to put out fake news and conspiracy theories, while not wanting to answer for any of that.

If they are reminded by an official regulatory body they can't do that, they cry "censorship", while claiming the mainstream media is fake.

Typical of propaganda and misinformation.

In this case the BSA has initiated a culture war. The BSA has no legal mandate to claim oversight over the platform. The enabling legislation is from 1989 and was never envisaged to cover internet media, because it didn’t exist at the time.

The BSA went YOLO and tried to claim it did have oversight. That is not the role of a government department. If the legislation isn’t fit for purpose it’s the job of parliament to fix it, not government departments to make up the rules to suit themselves.

It’s extremely concerning to have this happen as it totally undermines the appearance of a politically neutral public service.

Plunket is completely correct to say that the BSA don’t have oversight on the Platform. They absolutely do not.

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#3502891 14-Jun-2026 16:56

Culture wars, huh?

My wife, child and I attended this protest in Auckland yesterday and met up with an old friend and her child. You want to "protect women," Winston? How about paying them fairly, or properly funding health or anti-domestic-violence initiatives? Men don't need to say they are women if they want to hurt women. They just do it.

The people in front of me had a sign that said "Sorry son, to make them feel safe you'll have to use the women's bathrooms" with a picture of their (trans-male) son sporting a big black beard. (Mine is the "Winston is Weird" sign because it is weird that an 82-year-old man has not yet learned how to look people in the eye without imagining their genitals).

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#3503101 15-Jun-2026 12:03

gzt: The Broadcasting Standards Authority will be abolished and replaced with "self-regulation"

https://www.1news.co.nz/2026/05/06/broadcasting-standards-authority-to-be-axed-self-regulation-signalled/

Imo most people have come to expect and demand a high standard from NZ broadcasters. Particularly when it comes to ending the thoughtless scapegoating and insulting of minorities that some broadcasters clearly wish to engage in without any restraint.

Imo self-regulation mechanisms will quickly take a back seat and are not going to deliver a similar result.

As far as I can tell the BSA had its powers repealed in 2004 and is currently unable to enforce any of its decisions. I'm happy to be corrected if wrong. But if I'm right ... it doesn't really serve any real function that a code of practice couldn't.

Further, we're in a world, where broadcasting is dying. Linear media is toast, IMO.

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#3503102 15-Jun-2026 12:04

MikeAqua:

Further, we're in a world, where broadcasting is dying. Linear media is toast, IMO.

"Broadcasting" is not just linear TV. Putting your message out there is, essentially, broadcasting.

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