Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3505173 22-Jun-2026 11:02

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With no employer contribution it's probably worth at least putting in the $1000 a year to get the government contribution. Even with the reduced amount it's still hard to beat that amount of guaranteed return on $1000.

/Me laughs in not getting any government contribution anymore. Thanks, Luxon.

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#3505186 22-Jun-2026 11:19

If you're earning at the level where you no longer qualify for Govt contribution ($180k+), then arguably you don't need it and should leave that for someone that does. It seems like one of those policies that Labour / the greens should actually support...?

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#3505196 22-Jun-2026 12:26

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If you're earning at the level where you no longer qualify for Govt contribution ($180k+), then arguably you don't need it and should leave that for someone that does. It seems like one of those policies that Labour / the greens should actually support...?

Completely. I don't have a problem with it at all. Nor the fact that I would end up paying more income tax under the Green tax policy. I think there's an argument to be made that the universality of Kiwisaver government contributions would encourage some people to get it who don't, even at that salary range - and let's face it, anyone whose income is from salary is 2 missed paydays from unemployment benefits - but I totally accept that with limited funds it should be prioritised to those who need it more.

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#3505233 22-Jun-2026 15:19

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Yeah. Promises and no action.

Any govt will have policies it hasn't yet enacted. Unless ... it stops making new policy altogether.

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#3505242 22-Jun-2026 15:43

MikeAqua:

freitasm:

Yeah. Promises and no action.

Any govt will have policies it hasn't yet enacted. Unless ... it stops making new policy altogether.

Oh, I'm sure there are still enough policies from prior governments that they haven't repealed yet to keep them gainfully employed till the election.

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#3505249 22-Jun-2026 16:18

We could point fingers at various past Govt's about talking the talk and not walking the walk (Kiwibuild, 1,000,000,000 trees, light rail for Auckland etc), but thats like shooting fish in a barrel, hindsight is always 20/20.

I doubt few here would argue that the current Govt have delivered on many (any?) of their commitments prior to being elected, but theres very few Govt's I can think of that would live up to that lofty ideal. All we can hope for / vote on is a party (or coalition) that at face value promises to meet some / many / all of our wish list of wants and needs from a Govt when we give them our vote. What they then do beyond that is up to them.

With the amount of scrutiny over our politicians, its little wonder that Chris/Chris/Winston/Chloe/Marama & David are the top picks for their respective parties. You'd have to be mad to take on the challenge of parliament, opening yourself up for that level of scrutiny for what is really only a reasonable salary / perks package (and in the private sector, that salary / perks package wouldn't really be considered reasonable given the level of responsibility some of the ministers have).

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#3505809 24-Jun-2026 13:34

Luxon says a vote for Opportunity is a vote for Labour and Green:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360997275/opportunity-polls-46-takes-swipe-nostalgic-and-backwards-nz-first-contest-centre

Leader Qiulae Wong is standing for an electorate seat in Mt Albert. Currently a Labour seat.

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#3505822 24-Jun-2026 14:10

gzt: Luxon says a vote for Opportunity is a vote for Labour and Green:

He's certainly feeling the heat. He's trashing literally everyone right now, including his own coalition partners. I mean, I know all the parties have to stake their own turf, but he's quite venomous about it.

Also: I considered joining TOP before eventually choosing Green, so rock on, Q.

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#3505828 24-Jun-2026 14:47

If they get to 5%, they've earned the right for a seat at the table. They have been around for a few elections now. Not sure I'd put them in the centrist category, but good on them for gathering support. I think going after the Labour seat of Mt Albert is gutsy, but they are hardly going to take any of the hard left seats from Labour or the greens, maybe they see the changing demographic of Mt Albert as ripe for the pickings.

I suspect when it comes to the actual election, it'll likely be Labour/Greens (no TPM) or National/NZFirst/Act as the eventual coalition Govt. TOP do give Hipkins a viable option as a coalition partner with far less baggage than TPM (I'm assuming that TPM will win at least 1 seat if not more) if he needs the numbers, but I suspect if there is a shift to the left, it'll be a 2 party coalition only.

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#3505839 24-Jun-2026 15:36

SaltyNZ:

Also: I considered joining TOP before eventually choosing Green, so rock on, Q.

TOP is probably the part best aligned with my views on things, but like all politics nothings a perfect fit. Always made no sense to me that middle-of-road parties didn't exist - having a narrower focus so you can work with either side should mean you are more likely to be able to influence the winner on your chosen focus area. Otherwise you just have parties cannibalizing each other's vote because the Venn diagram looks more like you forgot to put your glasses on.

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#3505909 24-Jun-2026 16:25

SaltyNZ:

Also: I considered joining TOP before eventually choosing Green, so rock on, Q.

Does TOP know the difference between $412m of income and $412m of costs?

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#3505915 24-Jun-2026 16:44

gzt: Luxon says a vote for Opportunity is a vote for Labour and Green:

I think hes's right:

Wong has ruled out TOP working with NZF (in an RNZ interview), and
National can't get back into power without NZF.
Therefore: TOP can't form a govt with National, unless Wong goes back po ehr word

I think the other issue is whether Top is second or last cab off the rank for Labour. Greens will presumably ne first choice for labour, but TOP may be a refreshingly sane alternative to TPM.

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#3505921 24-Jun-2026 17:46

MikeAqua:

I think the other issue is whether Top is second or last cab off the rank for Labour. Greens will presumably ne first choice for labour, but TOP may be a refreshingly sane alternative to TPM.

Any form of leverage is good for Labour. TOP are new to the negotiation game and the Greens always get snookered. Labour would like nothing more than having a choice of partners (as would National.)

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#3505922 24-Jun-2026 17:47

CruciasNZ:

SaltyNZ:

Also: I considered joining TOP before eventually choosing Green, so rock on, Q.

TOP is probably the part best aligned with my views on things, but like all politics nothings a perfect fit. Always made no sense to me that middle-of-road parties didn't exist - having a narrower focus so you can work with either side should mean you are more likely to be able to influence the winner on your chosen focus area. Otherwise you just have parties cannibalizing each other's vote because the Venn diagram looks more like you forgot to put your glasses on.

Labour, National and NZ First are all middle of the road with different coloured frocks. Their policies are all pretty similar with a few differences on the fringes.

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#3505937 24-Jun-2026 21:15

MikeAqua:

I think hes's right:

Wong has ruled out TOP working with NZF (in an RNZ interview), and
National can't get back into power without NZF.
Therefore: TOP can't form a govt with National, unless Wong goes back po ehr word

I think the other issue is whether Top is second or last cab off the rank for Labour. Greens will presumably ne first choice for labour, but TOP may be a refreshingly sane alternative to TPM.

There's one additional permutation: confidence and supply without actually being a part of government. The Greens have taken up this option (although the cynics amongst us might suggest it works out better for their activist base to be removed from power to enable their continuous flow of outrage without the pressure of actually having to achieve anything) on a number of occasions and we may well see it again.

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