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#2120222 5-Nov-2018 13:23

MikeAqua:

wsnz:

Putting that aside, I'd like to think that a party remains in power because it delivers much needed policies to society rather than just for having a specific leader.

I think it's far more complicated than that.

For starters most policies don't have impact within a single election cycle. So second term is really the result of creating the right impression and not making any major bungles.

Luck has a lot to do with it. Both good times and bad times can cause the electorate to want to retain the current government.

Yes, definitely more complicated than that, however I simplified the response to avoid derailing the thread too quickly. Luck was certainly with JA, as she was in the right place at the right time.

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#2120224 5-Nov-2018 13:25

MikeAqua:

No disagreement there. She has real star-power.

What concerns me is that Ardern may be all about sentiment, rather than action. It's only been a year though.

On the flip side, so far what action has been taken appears to be non-strategic and applied in a very piecemeal fashion. Perhaps she is waiting for the various committees to supply their recommendations?

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#2120233 5-Nov-2018 13:36

gulfa:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108352824/another-alleged-recording-of-phone-call-between-simon-bridges-and-jamilee-ross-is-leaked

Listen to RNZ interview Its quite long about 10 mins.

Some very interesting questions asked by the interviewer. I would have thought that you would know exactly how many women lodged a complaint. not perhaps 4 or 5.

The guy in my opinion is just digging a bigger hole for himself

Not being able to remember in the middle of a very difficult conversation if there were complaints from 4 or 5 women is understandable and of course if you have any doubt in the moment, you will hedge your response, because the stakes are high.

Take a step back and imagine this: -

- You are an employer of a guy in a private sector company;
- He has leaked commercially sensitive info;
- As a member of the senior leadership team he is disruptive, dishonest and undermining;
- There are informal complaints about his conduct toward women, and
- He is being treated/evaluated for a mental illness which has been a significant contributing factor to his behaviour.

Now imagine all this will play out on the 6pm news and saying nothing at all isn't an option.

You need an agreed statement that allows him to take time out to get help, without breaching his privacy too much. The person you are dealing with is not behaving congruently.

Forget criticism for a minute - What would you do?

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#2120257 5-Nov-2018 14:26

@MikeAqua as a manager of large teams over many years this is a nightmare scenario and frankly it is not something I would manage on my own. I would need legal, medical and HR advice and use peer support.

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#2120260 5-Nov-2018 14:29

Which he has done.

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#2120317 5-Nov-2018 15:25

MikeB4:

@MikeAqua as a manager of large teams over many years this is a nightmare scenario and frankly it is not something I would manage on my own. I would need legal, medical and HR advice and use peer support.

I have similar experience and tend to agree it is a nightmare situation. I've managed one person with serious mental illness (including delusions) and it was very difficult to help them and protect everyone else, while meeting privacy considerations.

I note that: -

Medical - SB refers to having spoken to JLR's specialist

Peers - Bennett was involved, privacy is a consideration.

Legal - JLR isn't SB's or the National Party's employee - he's an MP (still). This isn't strictly speaking an employment matter. His membership of caucus would be subject to National's constitution so presumably the party offices would be asked for advice.

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#2120332 5-Nov-2018 16:00

Forget criticism for a minute - What would you do?

Regardless of where you work. First of all any person lodging any sort of complaint should have this recorded in some form or other and copies should be given to the person involved in the complaint. Anyone who does not do this should not be in a management position. There is no excuse for not knowing how many complaints were made. The shoddy recording keeping of many groups is shocking in my opinion. We see daily examples of with people ripping of thousands of dollars from businesses and organisations because of lack of accurate recording keeping. Govt departments have a lot to answer for. The case of residency with the jailed drug dealer is a perfect example . If this guy was allowed to return home as has been suggested why wasn't he stopped at the border on return. Look back over the last few years at the mistakes being made by our so called Public servants. When are we going to tidy up theses messes

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#2120336 5-Nov-2018 16:23

wsnz:

Perhaps she is waiting for the various committees to supply their recommendations?

I think labour will largely develop policy this election cycle and make a few starts on things. It will then go to the next election with a suite of comprehensive polices, developed with the resources of government departments.

Every governemnt does that to some extent. But this is the first govt I've seen that appears intent on spending an entire election cycle developing policy.

It's a sizeable gamble. Labour promised big (epically big) and now actually needs another term to get runs on the board.

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#2120343 5-Nov-2018 16:42

wsnz:

MikeAqua:

No disagreement there. She has real star-power.

What concerns me is that Ardern may be all about sentiment, rather than action. It's only been a year though.

On the flip side, so far what action has been taken appears to be non-strategic and applied in a very piecemeal fashion. Perhaps she is waiting for the various committees to supply their recommendations?

A subject for the other thread but the PM does not have to do everything that is what the Cabinet and Government Departments are for. I believe she has done a good job in first as PM.

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#2120345 5-Nov-2018 16:45

gulfa:

Forget criticism for a minute - What would you do?

Regardless of where you work. First of all any person lodging any sort of complaint should have this recorded in some form or other and copies should be given to the person involved in the complaint. Anyone who does not do this should not be in a management position.

Having a record of info and being able to recall that info during a difficult phone call are two very different things.

I manage projects. I'm good at my job (others' words not mine).

I can't tell you immediately off the top of my head how many projects are currently in my portfolio or exactly what the total budget of each is. I have that information, it's all recorded. I can look it up in seconds.

During a very difficult teleconference, I wouldn't be able to confidently recall the exact info. Stress and pressure do that.

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#2120349 5-Nov-2018 16:56

MikeAqua:

gulfa:

Forget criticism for a minute - What would you do?

Regardless of where you work. First of all any person lodging any sort of complaint should have this recorded in some form or other and copies should be given to the person involved in the complaint. Anyone who does not do this should not be in a management position.

Having a record of info and being able to recall that info during a difficult phone call are two very different things.

I manage projects. I'm good at my job (others' words not mine).

I can't tell you immediately off the top of my head how many projects are currently in my portfolio or exactly what the total budget of each is. I have that information, it's all recorded. I can look it up in seconds.

During a very difficult teleconference, I wouldn't be able to confidently recall the exact info. Stress and pressure do that.

But I am sure if you were asked the question many times (how many complaints were laid) you would have surely found this information out and been able to give an accurate answer. He has been asked many time s about this and his reply is the same (about 4 or 5) Its times people stopped trying to protect him, some of the recorded message about making suggestions of promotion to JLR were almost unbelievable. I would never want him as a Prime Minister after listening to the interview

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#2120381 5-Nov-2018 18:04

gulfa:

But I am sure if you were asked the question many times (how many complaints were laid) you would have surely found this information out and been able to give an accurate answer. He has been asked many time s about this and his reply is the same (about 4 or 5) Its times people stopped trying to protect him, some of the recorded message about making suggestions of promotion to JLR were almost unbelievable. I would never want him as a Prime Minister after listening to the interview

Are you drawing up on your experience with mentally ill staff who have multiple complaints laid, some of which may be subject to confidentiality agreements?

You're really going out of your way to overlook what JLR has done to multiple people on different occasions simply because you don't like Bridges and this is a way to make him look bad. Tova O'Brien, is that you?

E: I'll also say that mental health issues with employees and harassment are things that experienced HR professionals with decades of experience still fumble. It wasn't long ago there was a thread about a summer camp here on Geekzone, and the person who handled the fallout from that later got a plum state sector position.

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#2120385 5-Nov-2018 18:18

GV27:

gulfa:

But I am sure if you were asked the question many times (how many complaints were laid) you would have surely found this information out and been able to give an accurate answer. He has been asked many time s about this and his reply is the same (about 4 or 5) Its times people stopped trying to protect him, some of the recorded message about making suggestions of promotion to JLR were almost unbelievable. I would never want him as a Prime Minister after listening to the interview

Are you drawing up on your experience with mentally ill staff who have multiple complaints laid, some of which may be subject to confidentiality agreements?

You're really going out of your way to overlook what JLR has done to multiple people on different occasions simply because you don't like Bridges and this is a way to make him look bad. Tova O'Brien, is that you?

Even if there are confidential agreements which may be in place. It does not mean you cannot be accurate with the number involved. I have no sympathy for JLR and the sooner he disappears of the radar the better.

(I am not wishing ill of him) I am not going to justify whether I have or have not dealt with mentally ill people. This is not about me. This is becoming more about people with closed minds. I have made my opinion clear you don't have to agree with it but don't try getting personal, deal with the issues at hand. I am sick of being accused of having low standards, having voted a particular way etc As I have said before some here have very closed minds. I have made my position very clear about SB and his prospects of becoming PM. I am now out of here which I am sure will please some of you with closed minds

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#2120448 5-Nov-2018 18:39

gulfa:

GV27:

Even if there are confidential agreements which may be in place. It does not mean you cannot be accurate with the number involved. I have no sympathy for JLR and the sooner he disappears of the radar the better.

(I am not wishing ill of him) I am not going to justify whether I have or have not dealt with mentally ill people. This is not about me. This is becoming more about people with closed minds. I have made my opinion clear you don't have to agree with it but don't try getting personal, deal with the issues at hand. I am sick of being accused of having low standards, having voted a particular way etc As I have said before some here have very closed minds. I have made my position very clear about SB and his prospects of becoming PM. I am now out of here which I am sure will please some of you with closed minds

How am I getting personal? I am questioning the standard to which you and others are holding Bridges to. It is, frankly, unrealistic given that this has never happened before in New Zealand politics. It's also a higher standard than anyone else in politics seem to be held to, given events earlier this year.

By the way, you've used the words 'closed minds' three times in that post. Am I right in inferring that anyone who disagrees or challenges your view is 'close minded'? Because that seems a better label for someone who gets challenged on what they're saying and decides to have a sook.

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#2120455 5-Nov-2018 18:50

GV27:

gulfa:

But I am sure if you were asked the question many times (how many complaints were laid) you would have surely found this information out and been able to give an accurate answer. He has been asked many time s about this and his reply is the same (about 4 or 5) Its times people stopped trying to protect him, some of the recorded message about making suggestions of promotion to JLR were almost unbelievable. I would never want him as a Prime Minister after listening to the interview

Are you drawing up on your experience with mentally ill staff who have multiple complaints laid, some of which may be subject to confidentiality agreements?

You're really going out of your way to overlook what JLR has done to multiple people on different occasions simply because you don't like Bridges and this is a way to make him look bad. Tova O'Brien, is that you?

It's not an anti SB thing, it's an anti National thing. Strangely, when the PM was less than transparent over a number of issues and has been evasive answering questions on any number of the scandals Labour have caused themselves, there was no howling of a similar nature for accountancy and how unsuited to lead she was.

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