Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#1780377 12-May-2017 21:11

I think there's some space to even think we could apply Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

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#1780378 12-May-2017 21:16

I feel what happened was people were sick of all profit no caring, no influence and no gain following the GFC. The US had widely diverse outcomes during and post GFC . Trump seized on that, worked out his target audience and played them.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1780379 12-May-2017 21:20

MikeB4:

I am not convinced that the Russians had and significant influence on the US election, it is likely that they tried but their success was probably limited. As for the Manchurian Candidate thing I don't buy that.

I disagree.

While I'm not convinced that there was collusion between Trump and Putin, I'm totally convinced that that alt:right movement, anti-liberalism, anti "globalisation", and anti-democratic "discussion" is heavily influenced by Russian interests - if not from the Kremlin directly, then by interested parties closely associated with the Kremlin.

The "blogosphere" has significant influence on political outcomes. I believe also in NZ.

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#1780383 12-May-2017 21:23

MikeB4:

I feel what happened was people were sick of all profit no caring, no influence and no gain following the GFC. The US had widely diverse outcomes during and post GFC . Trump seized on that, worked out his target audience and played them.

And people were naive enough to believe Trump would care for them, help them. Yeah, it's not gonna happen folks. Just look at the shambles that their health care proposal is.

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#1780450 13-May-2017 07:18

From what I've been reading about the USA so far, they are fast becoming Russia.

Military/Science/Spies stronger than anyone, and the President wants to do whatever the &^%$ he wants.

I'm gonna savour the book The Operator while they're still the good guys. Mostly. Mind you there might be things in the book that was exactly the reason why Trump was voted into power. They really should've given the candicacy to Sanders. Too late now.

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#1780455 13-May-2017 08:10

News roundup:

Trump appoints head of voter fraud inquiry. Aka how can we stop African American and Mexican American voting? Aka 'find me some Mexicans i can blame for something at a convenient time. I know i said millions and millions but two or three will do'

Sessions directs prosecutors to pursue higher sentences for drugs. This after he reinstated sending inmates to private prisons. Now he wants to fill them again.

Trump warns Comey on Twitter saying maybe there are recordings of all Trump/Comey conversations. There are other indications Trump may be recording Oval Office meetings.

Trump looks at authorising a 5-8000 troop deployment to Afghanistan. Winning!

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#1780465 13-May-2017 08:34

He's trying to fix his country.

We get to watch a soap opera unfold.

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#1780472 13-May-2017 09:13

MikeB4:

I am not convinced that the Russians had and significant influence on the US election, it is likely that they tried but their success was probably limited. As for the Manchurian Candidate thing I don't buy that.

I think that the Russian connection is symptomatic rather than causative. The alt.right faction of the billionaires club has stolen the election from the mainstream billionaires. Lots of alt.right billionaires in Russia.

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#1780474 13-May-2017 09:19

freitasm:

I think there's some space to even think we could apply Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

Hanlon's Razor doesn't apply in the case of someone who is both malicious and stupid.

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#1781544 13-May-2017 11:14

the hole he is digging for himself is starting to get quite large...

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#1781600 13-May-2017 12:37

Pumpedd:
the hole he is digging for himself is starting to get quite large...

Yep, he will need a backhoe soon

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1781606 13-May-2017 12:52

Pumpedd:
the hole he is digging for himself is starting to get quite large...

Nothing that can't be fixed assuming he commands absolute power. This has been a test for American democracy ... And it's turning them into an autocracy.

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#1781637 13-May-2017 13:42

Anybody - foreign leader, diplomat, business person, whoever - better be aware that POTUS secretly records private conversation, then when it suits him, the POTUS may threaten to use those recordings to blackmail them.

Totally unacceptable.

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#1781639 13-May-2017 13:45

Hmmm, I seem to remember that a certain previous prezi was undone by white house recordings.

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#1781660 13-May-2017 14:46

Fred99:

Anybody - foreign leader, diplomat, business person, whoever - better be aware that POTUS secretly records private conversation, then when it suits him, the POTUS may threaten to use those recordings to blackmail them.

Totally unacceptable.

It's perfectly legal to record a conversation that you are a party to, with or without the knowledge or consent of the other party.

An honest person would have nothing to fear, except perhaps excerpts being played out of context. An honest man might even have his own recordings so that the full conversation could be heard.

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