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  #1547562 6-May-2016 12:03
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joker97: 1. BBC explaining US electoral mentality?

2. Everybody laughed at him before and he didn't just win, he killed it.
- I see the exact same thing happening now about the Nov GE.

 

 

 

I don't - it's not going to happen.

 

He's now got the problem that as presidential candidate, the blabber-mouthing of rascist, misogynist, and untruths has to stop.  That loses momentum with his ugly support base.  Then face the grim reality that much of his headline mouthing-off about what he's going to do is unachievable as it won't stand scrutiny and/or would be challenged on constitutional grounds every step of the way including by most of the GOP.  Then a US president with no friends (except Putin perhaps) unable to negotiate diplomatically with China, Europe etc, he'd be the greatest lame duck leader the world has ever seen. 

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  #1547564 6-May-2016 12:09
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You better be right :)

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  #1547574 6-May-2016 12:20
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joker97: You better be right :)

 

 

 

TBH - I don't think it really matters.

 

Cruz was more likely to start WWIII.

 

Trump as president would be mainly a harmless idiot and it would be a learning experience for America.

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  #1547582 6-May-2016 12:29
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Like Bush Jr? I think you are dead wrong. The president is not a prime minister that can be held to account to some extent by a cabinet, and to a greater extent by a parliament. The president has undivided executive power. There are some checks and balances but the presidential office has enormous executive power.

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  #1547592 6-May-2016 12:38
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Trouble is, everything that affects the US affects the world. No idea why. Just does.

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  #1547609 6-May-2016 13:24
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GH & GW Bush are bagging Trump.   Donald Trump would have to try really really hard to screw up worse than George W Bush managed to do.

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  #1547688 6-May-2016 15:44
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joker97: Trouble is, everything that affects the US affects the world. No idea why. Just does.

 

"When America sneezes the world catches a cold"

This was originally said about France by Klemens von Metternich, and was later adapted to America.
Unfortunately, it is true.




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  #1547876 7-May-2016 00:46
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Fred99:

 

He's now got the problem that as presidential candidate, the blabber-mouthing of rascist, misogynist, and untruths has to stop.  That loses momentum with his ugly support base.  Then face the grim reality that much of his headline mouthing-off about what he's going to do is unachievable as it won't stand scrutiny and/or would be challenged on constitutional grounds every step of the way including by most of the GOP.  Then a US president with no friends (except Putin perhaps) unable to negotiate diplomatically with China, Europe etc, he'd be the greatest lame duck leader the world has ever seen. 

 

 

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  #1547886 7-May-2016 07:10
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gzt: Like Bush Jr? I think you are dead wrong. The president is not a prime minister that can be held to account to some extent by a cabinet, and to a greater extent by a parliament. The president has undivided executive power. There are some checks and balances but the presidential office has enormous executive power.

 

 

 

Nope. The president can't declare war without support, and can't pass legislation without Senate AND House passing it first. It's the exact reason Obama couldn't get anything done during his second term, the house blocked everything he proposed. 

 

He has ultimate veto power but that just allows the president to ensure NOTHING gets done. There are actually steps that can be taken, through the constitution that would limit some of that as well, but he has no control over those.

 

A president can be removed from power if it's felt his powers have been compromised (by duress) or if health issues were to see him incapacitated (including mental illness).

 

POTUS holds very little sole power.

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  #1547896 7-May-2016 08:31
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networkn:

gzt: Like Bush Jr? I think you are dead wrong. The president is not a prime minister that can be held to account to some extent by a cabinet, and to a greater extent by a parliament. The president has undivided executive power. There are some checks and balances but the presidential office has enormous executive power.


 


Nope. The president can't declare war without support, and can't pass legislation without Senate AND House passing it first. It's the exact reason Obama couldn't get anything done during his second term, the house blocked everything he proposed. 


Nope. President can start and to a large extent fight a war without authorisation from congress. Including invasion of other countries. Also helps a bit if it is not called 'war'. It has happened many times.

On legislation we can agree. That is why Obama and all presidents before him issue executive orders to achieve policy goals. EOs can be used to amend regulation and suspend or implement existing regulation. That sounds mild but these orders essentially issue directives to federal agencies. Ie; activate all emergency detention centres and immediately round up millions of undocumented immigrants would be a perfectly valid executive order.

The office of the president is immensely powerful militarily and in an everyday sense.

POTUS holds enormous sole power.

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  #1558519 24-May-2016 11:01
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I'm sceptical of US polling.

 

Some of the pollsters with expected Republican bias (Fox etc) results are to be expected.

 

Those with expected Democrat bias, some are showing it's close or favouring Trump when polling a Trump vs Clinton election, but many of them are running a dual poll, and then show a very large gap in favour of Sanders if it was to be a Trump vs Sanders election.  I think that the polls are showing that there's very enthusiastic core support for Sanders amongst Democrat voters, and that the Trump vs Clinton results shouldn't be taken very seriously until after the inevitable probably happens, when Sanders is out of the race. It's a dangerous game, as poll results influence perception of credibility - leading to the false impression that if nearly half the voters support him, then Trump might be okay - not the dangerous idiot he certainly is.

 

If I was to be a US citizen and polled, as I'd certainly be voting Democrat under present circumstances, I'd be answering that I'd be voting Trump vs Clinton, because IMO Sanders is the best candidate who would promote sane reform of many of the things I really don't like about the USA. I wouldn't expect anything of Clinton except to maintain the status quo, when change is needed (and clearly wanted by many).

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  #1558522 24-May-2016 11:15
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gzt:
networkn:

 

gzt: Like Bush Jr? I think you are dead wrong. The president is not a prime minister that can be held to account to some extent by a cabinet, and to a greater extent by a parliament. The president has undivided executive power. There are some checks and balances but the presidential office has enormous executive power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope. The president can't declare war without support, and can't pass legislation without Senate AND House passing it first. It's the exact reason Obama couldn't get anything done during his second term, the house blocked everything he proposed. 

 


Nope. President can start and to a large extent fight a war without authorisation from congress. Including invasion of other countries. Also helps a bit if it is not called 'war'. It has happened many times.

On legislation we can agree. That is why Obama and all presidents before him issue executive orders to achieve policy goals. EOs can be used to amend regulation and suspend or implement existing regulation. That sounds mild but these orders essentially issue directives to federal agencies. Ie; activate all emergency detention centres and immediately round up millions of undocumented immigrants would be a perfectly valid executive order.

The office of the president is immensely powerful militarily and in an everyday sense.

POTUS holds enormous sole power.

 

 

 

again not quite , he has those executive orders by an act of congress and if they are not constitutional they can be overturned  by the supreme court, So he is limited to what he can use them for.




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  #1558523 24-May-2016 11:15
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Last i heard trump leads Clinton by 9% (6o clock news said that). That's huge. That's what Americans want at the moment.

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  #1558556 24-May-2016 11:31
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joker97: Last i heard trump leads Clinton by 9% (6o clock news said that). That's huge. That's what Americans want at the moment.

 

... in one survey.

 

Other surveys show Clinton narrowly ahead




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  #1558558 24-May-2016 11:32
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vexxxboy:

gzt:
networkn:


gzt: Like Bush Jr? I think you are dead wrong. The president is not a prime minister that can be held to account to some extent by a cabinet, and to a greater extent by a parliament. The president has undivided executive power. There are some checks and balances but the presidential office has enormous executive power.


 


 


 


Nope. The president can't declare war without support, and can't pass legislation without Senate AND House passing it first. It's the exact reason Obama couldn't get anything done during his second term, the house blocked everything he proposed. 



Nope. President can start and to a large extent fight a war without authorisation from congress. Including invasion of other countries. Also helps a bit if it is not called 'war'. It has happened many times.

On legislation we can agree. That is why Obama and all presidents before him issue executive orders to achieve policy goals. EOs can be used to amend regulation and suspend or implement existing regulation. That sounds mild but these orders essentially issue directives to federal agencies. Ie; activate all emergency detention centres and immediately round up millions of undocumented immigrants would be a perfectly valid executive order.

The office of the president is immensely powerful militarily and in an everyday sense.

POTUS holds enormous sole power.


 


again not quite , he has those executive orders by an act of congress and if they are not constitutional they can be overturned  by the supreme court, So he is limited to what he can use them for.


Wrong. The power held by the executive is granted by the constitution, not congress.

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