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#3152279 26-Oct-2023 08:07

kingdragonfly: New House speaker:

voted against certifying Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory

opposed more Ukraine aid

Trump ally

evangelical

opposing access to abortion in nearly all cases

opposes same-sex marriage.

In Louisiana, he has been a proponent of marriage “covenant” laws, which make it more difficult for couples to divorce.

And most importantly will not support the abolition of slavery.

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#3152280 26-Oct-2023 08:13

... and The Don loves him :

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#3152302 26-Oct-2023 10:21

The Washington Post - Four consequences of the Republican fight for House speaker

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Healthy parties don’t completely freeze an entire legislative chamber and struggle among themselves to open it.

Here are four potential reverberations from what just happened: [headings only]

1. The Republican Party might be broken

2. House Republicans elected a very conservative, MAGA speaker

3. The odds of a government shutdown could go up

4. Republicans need to figure out how they recover from this to keep the House

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#3152394 26-Oct-2023 14:13

No time wasted - his name is over the door already 😟

The Washington Post - Opinion - As House speaker, Mike Johnson is as dangerous as Jim Jordan

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If you are feeling any sense of relief that Jim Jordan won’t be the next House speaker, stop and worry again.

The new speaker, Rep. Mike Johnson (R-La.), might be more dangerous than the firebrand Ohio Republican.

For Jordan’s shirt sleeves demeanor and wrestler’s pugnacity, substitute a bespectacled, low-key presentation, a law degree and an unswerving commitment to conservative dogma and former president Donald Trump.

This is not an upgrade. It is Jordan in a more palatable package - evidently smoother, seemingly smarter and, therefore, potentially more effective. ...

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#3152477 26-Oct-2023 22:12

It's not exactly going to be a walk in the park for this bloke, though: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/25/mike-johnson-speaker-learning-curve-00123521

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#3152545 27-Oct-2023 09:42

quickymart:
It's not exactly going to be a walk in the park for this bloke, though: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/25/mike-johnson-speaker-learning-curve-00123521

The problem is "seeing something" and "doing something" is completely different.

I can watch car mechanics run an electronic diagnostic on my car, but gain almost no insight on how the car works.

He's going to be leaning heavily on his GOP minions and I'm sure they will poison his mind, and more than willing to throw him under the bus repeatedly.

I doubt Jesus' golden rule "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" will ever come to mind.

From 17 years ago (and it ain't gotten better):

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#3152576 27-Oct-2023 11:13

I suspect the Speaker's tenure may be brief.

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#3152581 27-Oct-2023 11:42

Have to wait and see, eh? I note that all Republicans voted for him on the first try and he won immediately, unlike McCarthy and the never-ending ballots.

It seems that - depressingly - being an election denier is the only way to go to get anywhere in the Republican Party these days, and this Mike guy was one. That, and kowtowing to the orange buffoon.

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#3152745 27-Oct-2023 14:33

New York Times: Opinion:The G.O.P. Goes Full-on Extremist

There are no moderate Republicans in the House of Representatives.

Oh, no doubt some members are privately appalled by the views of Mike Johnson, the new speaker. But what they think in the privacy of their own minds isn’t important. What matters is what they do — and every single one of them went along with the selection of a radical extremist.

In fact, Johnson is more extreme than most people, I think even political reporters, fully realize.

Much of the reporting on Johnson has, understandably, focused on his role in the efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Let me say, by the way, that the widely used term “election denial” is a euphemism that softens and blurs what we’re really talking about. Trying to keep your party in power after it lost a free and fair election, without a shred of evidence of significant fraud, isn’t just denial; it’s a betrayal of democracy.

There has also been considerable coverage of Johnson’s right-wing social views, but I’m not sure how many people grasp the depth of his intolerance. Johnson isn’t just someone who wants to legalize discrimination against L.G.B.T.Q. Americans and ban gay marriage; he’s on record as defending the criminalization of gay sex.

But Johnson’s extremism, and that of the party that chose him, goes beyond rejecting democracy and trying to turn back the clock on decades of social progress. He has also espoused a startlingly reactionary economic agenda.

Until his sudden elevation to speaker, Johnson was a relatively little-known figure. But he did serve for a time as chairman of the Republican Study Committee, a group that devises policy proposals. And now that Johnson has become the face of his party, people really should look at the budget proposal the committee released for 2020 under his chairmanship.

For if you read that proposal carefully, getting past the often mealy-mouthed language, you realize that it calls for the evisceration of the U.S. social safety net — not just programs for the poor, but also policies that form the bedrock of financial stability for the American middle class.

Start with Social Security, where the budget calls for raising the retirement age — already set to rise to 67 — to 69 or 70, with possible further increases as life expectancy rises.

Wait, there’s more. Most nonelderly Americans receive health insurance through their employers. But this system depends greatly on policies that the study committee proposed eliminating.
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#3152768 27-Oct-2023 15:11

Marjorie Taylor Greene FINALLY faces punishment in Congress

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#3152788 27-Oct-2023 16:56

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/10/27/why-luxon-and-seymours-refuse-to-denounce-winstons-disgraceful-false-accusations-is-so-dangerous/

I had hoped that the despicable, unstable waste of oxygen Whaleoil would never be involved in any way with NZ politics again...but I guess Winston needs to make new friends all the time to stay relevant 🙄

Luxon could have said something in response to Winston's misinformational tweet but I guess he realises he's probably going to need Winston's help sooner or later, so it's probably better for him just to shut his mouth. Doesn't make for a good look, though.

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#3152957 28-Oct-2023 09:28

Too bad he doesn't feel as strongly about democracy. He certainly knows a lot about strawman arguments.

Rolling Stone: New USA House Speaker Blamed School Shootings on Teaching Evolution and Abortion

NEWLY ELECTED HOUSE Speaker Mike Johnson is a hardcore Christian nationalist who has a history of spouting extreme right-wing views — including on mass shootings. The Louisiana Republican’s record on guns has come under scrutiny in the wake of a shooter killing at least 18 people in Maine on Wednesday, and in addition to opposing gun control legislation, the man who is now second in line for the presidency has blamed mass shootings on both teaching evolution and abortion.
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“People say, ‘How can a young person go into their schoolhouse and open fire on their classmates?’” Johnson asked the audience. “Because we’ve taught a whole generation — a couple generations now — of Americans, that there’s no right or wrong, that it’s about survival of the fittest, and [that] you evolve from the primordial slime. Why is that life of any sacred value? Because there’s nobody sacred to whom it’s owed. None of this should surprise us.”

Earlier in the sermon, Johnson had discussed the necessity of a creationist view of life. “If [the theory of evolution] is true, there really probably isn’t a God anyway, right? There really isn’t a creator,” Johnson said. “So remember when the founders said ‘God’s up here and he’s transcendent and all men are down here.’ Well [the academics] just erased God from the equation entirely.” He said that when there is no creator, “then that means that man gets to make all the decisions,” and that the the infiltration of this philosophy into government and schools had begun to “teach a generation of Americans that there really isn’t any God, and there really isn’t any right and wrong.”
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#3152978 28-Oct-2023 11:38

As a proud monkey who did not evolve from a swamp where the residents marry their 14 year-old cousins, I say that values come from within, not a magic man in the sky. We do the right thing because it is the right thing, not because a bearded old codger threatens us with a cane. I have no god and equally I have no impulse to enter a school and start shooting children.

If people do not get to make all the decisions, they do not have to accept accountability for them. It is just another act of god. Everything that happens is god’s will.

Evil does not come from people who have abortions; it comes from those who parasite on the gullibility of the vulnerable and feed on their religious need.

Thoughts and prayers to the victims.

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#3152981 28-Oct-2023 12:22

Mike Johnson - another person who thinks The Handmaid's Tale is actually an instruction manual.

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#3152982 28-Oct-2023 12:25

That McHenry fellow would have been a far, far better choice, but the Republican party doesn't want that. Sigh.

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