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#1486906 7-Feb-2016 12:28

Rikkitic:

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Yet the same folks end up at every protest be it about TPP, a tree in Utiku, worm rot in Taranaki. These folk seem to be passionate about so many issues.

I would think this should be seen as a good thing. Many issues are important and those who are passionate about them rate higher in my opinion than those who don't give a damn.

Lots of us "give a damn" but are busy supporting those who don't work so they can protest, by going to work and earning money on which we pay tax.

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#1486908 7-Feb-2016 12:32

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The throwing of said sex toy, is the same sort of thing that stops the greens getting the credibility they think they deserve. It makes the protestors look like unthinking activists first and people with real issues second. The Greens have some good policies, but at the end of the day there is a strong element in them, which still defaces opposition billboards etc. You can't run a Govt with elements like that supporting you. This is why those protesters, and the Greens, aren't taken "seriously". They have done nothing but HURT their cause.

You have radical, wild-eyed protesters and you have greedy, nasty business people. Some support the Green party, some support National. If the ugly face of capitalism doesn't put people off from voting one way, why should a few vandals stop them from voting the other? I think most people are capable of distinguishing the bad elements from the rest, regardless of their political persuasion.

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#1486944 7-Feb-2016 13:19

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Lots of us "give a damn" but are busy supporting those who don't work so they can protest, by going to work and earning money on which we pay tax.

You are too intelligent to believe that reactionary crap. Most protesters are just ordinary people with ordinary occupations. Nearly anyone who wants to badly enough, can find a way to get time off work for something that matters to them.

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#1486945 7-Feb-2016 13:20

Counting protesters is a poor way of judging public opinion unless you get very large crowds which the Auckland protests clearly weren't.

Why don't the anti TPPA lobby get their act together and force a referendum on the issue by getting the required number of signatures on a petition (is it 300,000?).

I know referendums aren't binding but the result would give a much better indication of how much opposition there actually is. And no pushing, shoving, disruption etc involved.

The agreement will be ratified here irrespective of the level of protest.

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#1486952 7-Feb-2016 13:33

SJB:

Counting protesters is a poor way of judging public opinion unless you get very large crowds which the Auckland protests clearly weren't.

The crowd in Hastings was huge by local standards, around a thousand people, I believe. That's the most I have ever seen turn out here for an event of this kind.

SJB:

Why don't the anti TPPA lobby get their act together and force a referendum on the issue by getting the required number of signatures on a petition (is it 300,000?).

I know referendums aren't binding but the result would give a much better indication of how much opposition there actually is. And no pushing, shoving, disruption etc involved.

Good idea. I will be surprised if it doesn't happen.

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#1486955 7-Feb-2016 13:48

Rikkitic:

SJB:

Counting protesters is a poor way of judging public opinion unless you get very large crowds which the Auckland protests clearly weren't.

The crowd in Hastings was huge by local standards, around a thousand people, I believe. That's the most I have ever seen turn out here for an event of this kind.

SJB:

Why don't the anti TPPA lobby get their act together and force a referendum on the issue by getting the required number of signatures on a petition (is it 300,000?).

I know referendums aren't binding but the result would give a much better indication of how much opposition there actually is. And no pushing, shoving, disruption etc involved.

Good idea. I will be surprised if it doesn't happen.

That would be an expensive waste of taxpayer dollars merely to shut the stable door long after the horse has bolted....

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#1486963 7-Feb-2016 14:03

Geektastic:

That would be an expensive waste of taxpayer dollars merely to shut the stable door long after the horse has bolted....

Unfortunately, those responsible for spending taxpayer dollars did not give people this option before the horse bolted.

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#1486970 7-Feb-2016 14:09

Rikkitic:

The crowd in Hastings was huge by local standards, around a thousand people, I believe. That's the most I have ever seen turn out here for an event of this kind.

There were 5 in Timaru. Probably zero in Invercargill.

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#1487015 7-Feb-2016 15:41

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I don't like the trend I'm seeing, where people with opposing views are automatically placed in factions - then ridiculed. The TPP protests as an example, where it's become a perception that there are two sides, illiterate ignorant moronic dole-bludging sh!t-stirrers, fighting a psychopathic puppet bankster Prime Minister with the US film/pharma pulling his strings. Rational debate isn't possible any more. We'll all be the losers if the trend continues.

The trend is a consequence of modern media feeding on sensation.

Say something outrageous and offensive...and get coverage.

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#1487039 7-Feb-2016 15:59

Rikkitic:
MikeB4:

Yet the same folks end up at every protest be it about TPP, a tree in Utiku, worm rot in Taranaki. These folk seem to be passionate about so many issues.

I would think this should be seen as a good thing. Many issues are important and those who are passionate about them rate higher in my opinion than those who don't give a damn.

I don't believe rent a mob care about the issue(s) they just care about protesting and being disruptive and unlawful.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1487046 7-Feb-2016 16:18

MikeB4:

I don't believe rent a mob care about the issue(s) they just care about protesting and being disruptive and unlawful.

There will be an element of this, just as the "moral majority" will think that anyone protesting anything should be at work as a builders labourer being happy with their lot in life. Neither are helpful and neither are correct. This does't make the entire protest invalid just as the right wing idiots don't make every conservative viewpoint invalid.

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#1487049 7-Feb-2016 16:26

Does this rentacrowd organisation you keep referring to have a website or contact details or are you repeatedly hoping that no one will see your rather skewed bias.

There were 9 people who sat on the motorway onramp and required physical intervention by police , out of
an estimated 20,000 protestors.

If you want to cast a demographic spell on those concerned with the countries sovereignty you're going to need to use more than .04 % of the 20k that could make it to a protest on a Thursday morning.

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#1487050 7-Feb-2016 16:27

MikeB4:

I don't believe rent a mob care about the issue(s) they just care about protesting and being disruptive and unlawful.

OK, the 'rent-a-mob' label has been tossed around by the PM and the media and others and now you. So what do you really mean by this? Are you talking about a particular group of people? What are their identifying characteristics -- race, hair length, slogans, loudness of vocalisation? Who are you referring to? How many? Is it a dozen well-known individuals? A hundred? the thousands behind them? Who is renting the mob? Where does the money come from? What number can I ring to rent one?

Labels like this are just that -- empty labels -- until you define them and give them meaning. Otherwise you are just parroting a mindless phrase someone has taught you. I think that is dangerous and deceptive. When you start labeling people, you make it easy to stop thinking of them as people. Point out the individuals in your rent-a-mob and tell me who and what they are. Are they just people marching in a demonstration you don't approve of? If so, then shame on you for not giving them more credit. Are they hooligans crashing and burning as they go? Then they should be condemned as individuals, but don't lump them all into a mob unless all are behaving that way (which I don't happen to believe). Such unjustified offhand use of labels like this is just cheap politics, as practised by some who should know better and who certainly should not demean the dignity of their office by stooping to such pejorative name-calling.

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#1487053 7-Feb-2016 16:34

SJB:

Counting protesters is a poor way of judging public opinion unless you get very large crowds which the Auckland protests clearly weren't.

Why don't the anti TPPA lobby get their act together and force a referendum on the issue by getting the required number of signatures on a petition (is it 300,000?).

I know referendums aren't binding but the result would give a much better indication of how much opposition there actually is. And no pushing, shoving, disruption etc involved.

The agreement will be ratified here irrespective of the level of protest.

Nice idea. But other than being a complete waste of money, I doubt the common man knows enough details of the TPPA to make a rational well considered judgement. Most will be led by misinformed selective opinions and rhetoric, much like the protesters, whom without exception (at least those that made the news anyway) clearly didn't have a clue about the actual details of the TPPA.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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#1487062 7-Feb-2016 16:57

scuwp:

Nice idea. But other than being a complete waste of money, I doubt the common man knows enough details of the TPPA to make a rational well considered judgement. Most will be led by misinformed selective opinions and rhetoric, much like the protesters, whom without exception (at least those that made the news anyway) clearly didn't have a clue about the actual details of the TPPA.

Still no reason to deny them a voice, unless you happen to believe only the landed gentry should be entitled to vote.

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