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  #3202776 3-Mar-2024 16:52
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SaltyNZ:

 

Handle9: 

 

It wasn’t really but it looked bad. The taxpayer ended up paying the same amount

It’s why this stuff gets silly.

 

 

 

That's why it was wrong - unfortunately we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. When the National Party does it, they mostly get away with it, it's expected from them. Only the most egregious behaviour gets enough attention to embarrass them, and even then it's got to be a pretty high bar before you get the boot. Witness: bedlegs Uffindell and Do You Know Who I Am Kuriger still around, not even a smack from the leader.

 

It's also AOK for Luxon to campaign on tax breaks for landlords when he owns 7 houses mortgage free, 4 of which are rentals. Like, how is this not being hammered relentlessly every day? There could not be a more clear and actual conflict of interest. Even the Americans expect their presidents to put their assets into a blind trust to remove any conflict of interest, and they're a cess pit of lawful open corruption.

 

When a Green Party MP slips up or even appears to slip up as in this case, it's potentially the end of a career for someone who was obviously morally degenerate and the scum of society, mitigating factors be damned. See Metiria Turei or Golriz Gharhaman (note, I don't mean Gharhaman should face no consequences, merely that lots of people including some here went completely OTT on how she must always have been bad etc. rather than allowing for the incredible stress she faced even more so than most MPs).

 

It extends to a lesser extent to Labour as well. Wood failed to properly declare $13K in airport shares he originally bought as a teenager and was involved in regulatory discussions about a completely different airport. Ultimately this cost him his job (FWIW I believe his story that he could not quickly find the details of how to sell shares he bought 30 years ago). 

 

So ultimately we need to be a lot more careful to not do something that looks even a little bit off. Even if, as you point out, it makes no actual difference.

 

 

Managed conflicts of interest are inevitable and acceptable. One of the things that differentiates New Zealand from the US is the expectation that MPs are allowed to have a personal life and personal interests. Providing they are correctly disclosed and managed there's no real issue there.

 

If we were to require no conflicts of interest there would be very few actual MPs. Being an environment minister is a conflict of interest if you are also a member of an envirnmental party as is being a labour minister and being in a political party that accepts donations from unions.

 

Wood didn't resign over a conflict of interest. He resigned beacuse he repeatedly didn't declare the conflict in a timely manner, didn't manage the conflict as advised 12 times by the office of the cabinet and then lied to the Prime Minister when asked if there were any further potential conflicts. Losing his cabinet positions is exactly the same penalty that Kuriger recieved for her unmanaged conflict of interest. The only difference is the voters of Mt Roskill had clearly had enough of him at the most recent election.

 

Turiei resigned because she failed to declare her criminal behaviour as an adult. If she'd campaigned on it prior to being elected it would likely have been a non-story. It blew up because of the way she managed it.

 

Gharhaman engaged in what is alleged to be theft while an MP and then went to ground for a week once it hit the public domain. If she had managed it better she wouldn't have faced the same level of approbrium.

 

Uffindel is a lot more complex as it happened as a minor. He did also disclose that during candidate selection so there wasn't a question of him being dishonest about what happened or lying about it. It was investigated by a QC, and it would be incredibly damaging to the party if it was found later that he engaged in that sort of thing when he was an adult. Given that seems to have failed to uncover repeated incidents it seemed an appropriate response.




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  #3202836 3-Mar-2024 18:01
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SaltyNZ:

 

Personally, all I got out that Q&A was "I'm entitled. I'm entitled. I'm entitled. It's Chris Hipkins' fault. I'm entitled." He certainly is.

 

 

A few other people picked up on that as well: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2024/03/03/luxons-accommodation-u-turn-highlights-his-tone-deaf-entitled-evangelical-prosperity-theology-privilege/

 

 


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  #3202930 4-Mar-2024 06:10
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Handle9:

 

It's also AOK for Luxon to campaign on tax breaks for landlords when he owns 7 houses mortgage free, 4 of which are rentals. Like, how is this not being hammered relentlessly every day? There could not be a more clear and actual conflict of interest.

 

Right so we were too hard on Michael Wood, who didn't declare his shareholding in line with the rules he was meant to, but we should hear non-stop about Chris Luxon owning rentals despite them a) being declared correctly and b) other MPs owning rentals on both sides of the house who have also proposed sweeping housing reform or policy changes?

 

Not sure I can get my head around where you're coming from here.




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  #3202931 4-Mar-2024 06:35
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GV27:

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It's also AOK for Luxon to campaign on tax breaks for landlords when he owns 7 houses mortgage free, 4 of which are rentals. Like, how is this not being hammered relentlessly every day? There could not be a more clear and actual conflict of interest.


Right so we were too hard on Michael Wood, who didn't declare his shareholding in line with the rules he was meant to, but we should hear non-stop about Chris Luxon owning rentals despite them a) being declared correctly and b) other MPs owning rentals on both sides of the house who have also proposed sweeping housing reform or policy changes?


Not sure I can get my head around where you're coming from here.



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  #3203012 4-Mar-2024 09:57
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Handle9:

Wasn’t me ;)

 

Ugh sorry. Yet another case of pre-coffee posting gone wrong. 


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  #3203112 4-Mar-2024 16:10
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David Seymour slams free school lunches scheme as 'wasteful' as fate to be considered by Coalition Government

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/david-seymour-slams-free-school-lunches-scheme-as-wasteful-as-fate-to-be-considered-by-coalition-government.html

 

 

 

However I am sure significant sums of money will be found to increase our prison population by putting more people in prison and keeping them there longer.

 

So far all I see is ACT in parliament as being a waste of money.


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  #3203114 4-Mar-2024 16:14
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National campaigned on cancelling Labour's tax increases, promising not to increase fuel excise in its first term.

 

It now says a 12-cent increase will kick in from January 2027. 

 

 

 

 

Promises made, promises kept. 🤣





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  #3203118 4-Mar-2024 16:38
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sir1963: David Seymour slams free school lunches scheme as 'wasteful' as fate to be considered by Coalition Government

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/david-seymour-slams-free-school-lunches-scheme-as-wasteful-as-fate-to-be-considered-by-coalition-government.html

 

 

 

However I am sure significant sums of money will be found to increase our prison population by putting more people in prison and keeping them there longer.

 

So far all I see is ACT in parliament as being a waste of money.

 

 

The lunch in schools is a tough one. On one hand, I get that there may be money wasted on food being thrown away, there may not even be a measurable way to gauge the success of the scheme BUT

 

Children shouldn't go hungry. Regardless of how they got into the situation, its still a hungry child that deserves to be given a decent meal for the best chance at engaging in learning. I'm all for accountability and responsibility when it comes to having children, plan the family you can reasonably afford (or desire) and go from there, but quite happily accept that its not that simple when it comes to wider society.

 

Is there a better way it could be managed? Probably, but on a large scale, its never going to be simple.

 

 


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  #3203120 4-Mar-2024 16:41
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GV27:

 

Handle9:

Wasn’t me ;)

 

Ugh sorry. Yet another case of pre-coffee posting gone wrong. 

 

 

No worries.

 

I can help though, just remember: Bald man bad, Green angelic, Labour OK.


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  #3203122 4-Mar-2024 16:42
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SaltyNZ:


National campaigned on cancelling Labour's tax increases, promising not to increase fuel excise in its first term.


It now says a 12-cent increase will kick in from January 2027. 



 


Promises made, promises kept. 🤣



Surely this is a good thing from an environmental perspective - it should make EVs more financially viable?

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  #3203127 4-Mar-2024 17:03
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SaltyNZ:

 

 

National campaigned on cancelling Labour's tax increases, promising not to increase fuel excise in its first term.

 

It now says a 12-cent increase will kick in from January 2027. 

 

 

 

 

Promises made, promises kept. 🤣

 

 

 

 

Am I misunderstanding this?

 

  • A 12 cent increase over 3 years won't occur, but after the first term it will be a 20 cent increase over the subsequent 2 years? 
  • RUC is also expected to increase then too. Does that mean RUC for petrol vehicles is unlikely to be implemented?




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  #3203142 4-Mar-2024 17:42
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Handle9:

 

No worries.

 

I can help though, just remember: Bald man bad, Green angelic, Labour OK.

 

 

Sorry, I don't think sarcasm is really your thing, eh (in my humble opinion).


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  #3203145 4-Mar-2024 17:46
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I'm certainly getting confused reading the draft document:

 

  • An increase in investment in rail infrastructure has not had an increase in freight, (it's decreased over 12 years), cross-funding subsidy from roads will be removed and only the busiest, most productive parts will be invested in. So people using the roads in these other places will have more freight on the roads to contend with. This will result in reduced journey times. 
  • Speed limit reductions will be reversed, and safety will increase.
  • Walking and cycling improvements require clear economic benefits, or it requires lots of pedestrians/cyclists to be already using dangerous routes in which case safety can be improved. No improvement on dangerous routes most pedestrians/cyclists don't feel safe using. Walking/cycling improvements to reduce congestion are permitted. No provision for inflation is made after 24/25.
  • More choice with public transport, with increased fares, will increase patronage in public transport and decrease congestion. Time of use charging may be a contributing factor for this. 




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  #3203146 4-Mar-2024 17:53
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quickymart:

Handle9:


No worries.


I can help though, just remember: Bald man bad, Green angelic, Labour OK.



Sorry, I don't think sarcasm is really your thing, eh (in my humble opinion).



It’s quite definitely my thing. Whether you like it is a different question.

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  #3203147 4-Mar-2024 17:53
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If you think so.

 

Having said that if you're looking for a thread praising Luxon maybe you could start one, as I get the impression it's not really representative of his fan club in here (myself included).


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