Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2180709 15-Feb-2019 10:52

I wouldn't be so sure that Trump can't commence building the wall anyway, under emergency powers using the military under the orders of the Secretary of Defense. The legal challenges might not be able to stop that. The Secretary of Defense has an existing ~$700 billion budget. The wall would be peanuts.

Allows: Construction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States.

Hasn't the Whitehouse been claiming lately (against all common sense and evidence) that "The Wall" would have stopped El Chapo?

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#2180760 15-Feb-2019 11:24

tdgeek:

Looks like Trump will sign off the funding deal to avoid a shutdown, 1.375 Million for the wall, he will play it off a s down payment. he turned down 1.6 in December. I'm unsure of the official makeup of the 1.375 I thought that was general border security stuff, including at the wall, but NOT new wall?

Fart of the Deal, a good read......

I think that should be billion.

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#2180762 15-Feb-2019 11:25

The 5 billion asked for was to start looking at the wall, there has apparently been no design, viability, costings etc that I am aware of. If they fast tracked some simple plain steel sections, its still a wee bit to sort that, tool it up at the steel works then start manufacturing.

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#2180770 15-Feb-2019 11:29

The Hill - Twitter users react to national emergency plan, point to 2014 Trump tweet

News of President Trump's plan to declare a national emergency for a border wall prompted Twitter users on Thursday to resurface a 2014 tweet from Trump that argued against allowing then President Obama to “subvert the Constitution.”

Obama at the time had just announced an executive action to protect millions of undocumented immigrants from deportation.

Both liberals and conservatives on Twitter highlighted Trump's previous tweet as he seeks to use a national emergency to construct a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

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#2180819 15-Feb-2019 11:41

Paul1977:

tdgeek:

Looks like Trump will sign off the funding deal to avoid a shutdown, 1.375 Million for the wall, he will play it off a s down payment. he turned down 1.6 in December. I'm unsure of the official makeup of the 1.375 I thought that was general border security stuff, including at the wall, but NOT new wall?

Fart of the Deal, a good read......

I think that should be billion.

Yep! Hey, its only one zero, that's not much!

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#2180823 15-Feb-2019 11:46

Three zeros.

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#2180827 15-Feb-2019 11:53

freitasm: Three zeros.

True, I should focus more here, than what I SHOULD be doing :-)

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#2180832 15-Feb-2019 12:00

freitasm: Three zeros.

Nobody knew primary school mathematics could be so hard!

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#2180972 15-Feb-2019 14:56

SaltyNZ:

freitasm: Three zeros.

Nobody knew primary school mathematics could be so hard!

Failing elementary maths shouldn't be an obstacle to a successful life. You could become a real estate magnate, run a reality TV show, start a university, sleep with porn stars, make friends with the nastiest people, and even become President of the United States.

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#2181022 15-Feb-2019 16:53

The New York Times - Trump Will Declare a National Emergency. What Happens Next? (extracts)

Congress has tools to override the president’s declaration, but opponents most likely do not have the votes to overcome a veto.

Feb. 14, 2019

WASHINGTON — In declaring a national emergency to try to build his long-promised border wall, President Trump will invoke extraordinary and seldom-used authorities to bypass Congress’s constitutionally granted power of the purse.

Democrats are fuming, and many members of Mr. Trump’s party are uneasy about the precedent that such a declaration will set.

Lawmakers seeking to block the president will soon have two paths - one in Congress, the other in the courts.

Democrats, who control the House, will drive the opposition.

Party leaders did not detail their plans on Thursday, as they reviewed options and awaited the text of the president’s declaration.

But outspoken senior lawmakers indicated that they will likely use both paths at once. ...

Can Congress stop Trump from declaring an emergency?

No, Congress does not have the power to stop the president from declaring a national emergency.

But when lawmakers granted the president emergency powers in the first place, they built a check into the law.

Under the National Emergencies Act, the House and the Senate can take up what is called a joint resolution of termination to end the emergency status if they believe the president is acting irresponsibly or the threat has dissipated. ...

... the law says that if one chamber passes such a resolution, the other one must bring it up for a vote within 18 days.

Though Democrats are in the minority in the Senate, they would need only a handful of Republicans to join them to pass the resolution there and send it to Mr. Trump’s desk.

It is easy to imagine a half-dozen or more Republican senators joining Democrats out of concern for the precedent that Mr. Trump’s declaration will set.

How strong is opposition to a declaration in the House and the Senate?

This is the crucial question. Half a dozen or so Republicans made their disapproval of an emergency declaration clear on Thursday. ...

Could Congress sue?

Here Democrats appear to have two choices. The House could either support a lawsuit challenging the emergency declaration brought by a third party or file a suit of its own.

There are questions about the House’s legal standing if it were to try to sue on its own, and House leaders and their lawyers will have to decide if it is worth risking filing suit themselves only to be dismissed by a judge for lack of standing.

Regardless, a legal challenge is likely to tie up Mr. Trump’s efforts in court for an extended period of time.

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#2181049 15-Feb-2019 17:47

He is a wrecker. Democratic Americans (not just Democrats) need to wake up and put a stop to it now. I think they are running out of time. Use his tactic. Shut down the government. Create chaos. Make such a mess that he can't build anything. Produce so much dissatisfaction that there is a popular uprising against him. Impeach the SOB. Democrats have been much too timid for much too long. I think the future of the country is at stake. If they don't move soon, they won't have the option any longer.

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#2181063 15-Feb-2019 18:00

Rikkitic:

... Democrats have been much too timid for much too long.

I think the future of the country is at stake.

If they don't move soon, they won't have the option any longer.

Agreed, but the Democrats didn't have the power to act until after the mid-terms.

Also agreed, drastic action against Trump is required, NOW.