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Topic # 223348 25-Sep-2017 10:41
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My thoughts
Sit down with his group and list all their policies and line them up with each party
Decide which ones they want implemented in order of importance and which ones are non- negotiable.
Then decide what position he wants in the ruling party. If he is true to his word and beliefs he does not need to push for a prominent position but instead get his policies implemented. This will then show his followers and the rest of us that it is not all about him, which many seem to believe.
He has already said he has been this minister or had that position before. I believe if what he wants for his party and followers he should accept any position in Cabinet not necessarily Deputy PM.

 

 


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  Reply # 1872343 25-Sep-2017 11:06
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Oh - the position he's found himself in means we can be pretty sure who the next Deputy Prime Minister of NZ is - long before we'll know who the next Prime Minister of NZ will be.

 

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  Reply # 1872363 25-Sep-2017 11:38
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He doesnt have a group to discuss it with....he also doesnt discuss with other MP's. Winston is a one man band and will know all ready what he wants to do and will string it out for as long as possible to ensure Winston gets what Winston wants.

 

Whilst the Greens tried cuddling up to him on election night, he hates them with a passion. He doesnt like anything they stand for and has said so often.

 

He will also be wary of Jacinda, as she has no experience and that will worry him. 

 

He knows all the Nats and dislikes a few, but I believe with Bill running the ship he will give them equal thoughts.

 

As it is his last term and he will want to spice things up a lot so he will be remembered for ever, he may just go red for the hell of it. Remember Winstons policies during the campaign were largely incoherrent so anything can happen.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1872378 25-Sep-2017 11:49
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By my analysis, NZ First's official Policies much more closely matches the common ground between Labour and the Greens.
Now that's not to say Winston is not attitudinally closer to National. He could go with his comfort zone, and compete as an insider with National, or he could maintain his integrity and see MZ First's policies into action.

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  Reply # 1872436 25-Sep-2017 13:06
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National and NZF have been trading blows for the last few years, given that I feel that NZF will go into partnership with Labour and Green Party. However if the specials change in favour of National making a Labour Green NZF coalition close to unworkable I believe he will go with National as long as they exclude ACT from the formula.





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  Reply # 1872486 25-Sep-2017 14:55
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  Reply # 1872489 25-Sep-2017 14:58
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I'm still trying to work out where Winston sits on the political scale?

 

Left or far right? Some of his policies sure seem to be far far right.


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  Reply # 1872494 25-Sep-2017 15:09
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MikeB4:

 

National and NZF have been trading blows for the last few years, given that I feel that NZF will go into partnership with Labour and Green Party. However if the specials change in favour of National making a Labour Green NZF coalition close to unworkable I believe he will go with National as long as they exclude ACT from the formula.

 

 

Dream on. The specials always favour Labour and the Greens. They always have and they always will. That is an inevitable aspect of the demographic involved in special votes.


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  Reply # 1872508 25-Sep-2017 15:29
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jpoc:

 

MikeB4:

 

National and NZF have been trading blows for the last few years, given that I feel that NZF will go into partnership with Labour and Green Party. However if the specials change in favour of National making a Labour Green NZF coalition close to unworkable I believe he will go with National as long as they exclude ACT from the formula.

 

 

Dream on. The specials always favour Labour and the Greens. They always have and they always will. That is an inevitable aspect of the demographic involved in special votes.

 

 

 

 

really? with all that has happened with voting around the world you use rude terms like "dream on". NOTHING is inevitable or normal in voting now.





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  Reply # 1872509 25-Sep-2017 15:30
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Wiggum:

 

I'm still trying to work out where Winston sits on the political scale?

 

Left or far right? Some of his policies sure seem to be far far right.

 

 

NZF is a centre party

 

 





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  Reply # 1872512 25-Sep-2017 15:34
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MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

I'm still trying to work out where Winston sits on the political scale?

 

Left or far right? Some of his policies sure seem to be far far right.

 

 

NZF is a centre party

 

 

 

 

Well he's a populist with a target audience of older NZers and conspiracy theorists, so he'll just blow with the wind and tells them what he believes they want to hear - playing on their fears.

 

Centre/Left/Right doesn't really apply


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  Reply # 1872560 25-Sep-2017 15:50
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

NZF is a centre party

 

 

On the left or right of National, thats what I am trying to figure out.

 

Fred99:

 

Well he's a populist with a target audience of older NZers and conspiracy theorists, so he'll just blow with the wind and tells them what he believes they want to hear - playing on their fears.

 

Centre/Left/Right doesn't really apply

 

 

Populism can exist on both the left and the right.

 

Based on what I have read on the Wiki page, he is definitively on the right, just can't work out how it aligns with National.

 

 


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  Reply # 1872564 25-Sep-2017 15:52
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National, Labour and NZ First are centre parties. Green Party is centre left and Act centre right





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  Reply # 1872570 25-Sep-2017 15:58
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jpoc:

 

MikeB4:

 

National and NZF have been trading blows for the last few years, given that I feel that NZF will go into partnership with Labour and Green Party. However if the specials change in favour of National making a Labour Green NZF coalition close to unworkable I believe he will go with National as long as they exclude ACT from the formula.

 

 

Dream on. The specials always favour Labour and the Greens. They always have and they always will. That is an inevitable aspect of the demographic involved in special votes.

 

 

 

 

I would say he is economically centre-left and socially right (conservative).

 

 


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  Reply # 1872582 25-Sep-2017 16:23
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MikeB4:

 

jpoc:

 

MikeB4:

 

National and NZF have been trading blows for the last few years, given that I feel that NZF will go into partnership with Labour and Green Party. However if the specials change in favour of National making a Labour Green NZF coalition close to unworkable I believe he will go with National as long as they exclude ACT from the formula.

 

 

Dream on. The specials always favour Labour and the Greens. They always have and they always will. That is an inevitable aspect of the demographic involved in special votes.

 

 

 

 

really? with all that has happened with voting around the world you use rude terms like "dream on". NOTHING is inevitable or normal in voting now.

 

 

The overwhelming majority of special votes are from young people who are enrolling just a few days before the election and who then vote without being on the formally published roll. That is not changing. There is no hundred thousand strong cohort of elderly voters who are not enrolled and who will suddenly enrol and vote. Young voters are far more likely to support left leaning parties such as Labour and the Greens than they are to support right leaning parties. That has not changed. Even with "all that has happened with voting around the world" that has not changed. Trump was not elected by young people and Brexit was supported far more by the elderly than by the young.

 

If there would be any change in the impact of special votes this year, it would be because the Labour party's choice of a leader who was much younger than is typical would have had a stronger effect on younger voters meaning that the special votes will produce a larger than normal special-swing to Labour and the Greens.

 

 


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  Reply # 1872585 25-Sep-2017 16:33
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I am dubious of applying rules to political outcomes these days, take Labour if someone suggested they change Leadership three weeks before the election the idea would have been described as political suicide, they did change and took a party that was polling at 20% and dropping to a party that possibly could gain the Treasury benches.





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