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#2611292 26-Nov-2020 16:48

JPNZ:
I have the Panasonic GZ1000 and love it. I'll be buying a PS5 next year but the HDMI 2.1/120hz is all talk until I actually see something concrete to say games will run at that level. 4k/60 is going to be the standard for the next few years most likely. Later gen games for the PS5 may very well do 4k/120 but who knows how far away that will be?

Guess it depends how future proof you want to be...

HDMI 2.1 also has VRR and ALLM. VRR is a big deal. It is already working wonders for number of games specially on XSX to avoid screen tearing. Number of games like COD, Star Wars Squadrons etc support 120fps and more will follow.

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#2611297 26-Nov-2020 16:57

Djinkster:

Got a bit of a OLED tossup which I'd be keen to get somebody's input on.

I've been looking at picking up an OLED TV, and have narrowed it down to either the LG CX or the Sony A8H 55'. I mainly use this TV for Gaming, and I did pick up the Series X when it launched.

Given that the LG has been out of stock for ages - I put my name down for one at NL, for $3499 last week, as they expect to see some very limited stock next week (potentially). They think they'll have a unit for me next week.

For Black Friday however, the A8H is down to $2999, or even less at $2789 via the Market. The $700 extra does feel like a lot for the LG display, but it supports VRR and 120hz, both features that the Series X will definitely take advantage of. (The CX is $3388 but would almost definitely not get this before the end of the year if I canned my existing order for it)

What do people reckon I should do here?

Firstly do you like Android TV? It's something people either love or hate, and if you hate it it'll be very annoying to have it on your TV!

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#2611307 26-Nov-2020 17:20

How do sony implement Android TV? If it becomes outdated over time(which it will), will it prevent anything on the TV from functioning, and being used as a dumb TV. All smart Tvs eventually become dumb, as my non android Sony smart Tv from 2012 is now as dumb as anything after services slowly got removed.

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#2611335 26-Nov-2020 18:50

sbiddle:
Djinkster:

Got a bit of a OLED tossup which I'd be keen to get somebody's input on.

I've been looking at picking up an OLED TV, and have narrowed it down to either the LG CX or the Sony A8H 55'. I mainly use this TV for Gaming, and I did pick up the Series X when it launched.

Given that the LG has been out of stock for ages - I put my name down for one at NL, for $3499 last week, as they expect to see some very limited stock next week (potentially). They think they'll have a unit for me next week.

For Black Friday however, the A8H is down to $2999, or even less at $2789 via the Market. The $700 extra does feel like a lot for the LG display, but it supports VRR and 120hz, both features that the Series X will definitely take advantage of. (The CX is $3388 but would almost definitely not get this before the end of the year if I canned my existing order for it)

What do people reckon I should do here?

Firstly do you like Android TV? It's something people either love or hate, and if you hate it it'll be very annoying to have it on your TV!

Have the X900F right now which also has Android TV - don’t really have any issues with it. Slow to boot from cold, but that’s about it.

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#2611360 26-Nov-2020 19:49

I just ordered the Sony X95. First new TV for nearly a decade. If you buy from the market you can also get 10% off with the cyber online coupon Noel Leemings Black market sale price.The only issue is that you have to have it delivered at a high delivery price. But the savings still make it worth it.

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#2611518 27-Nov-2020 07:47

billgates:
JPNZ:

I have the Panasonic GZ1000 and love it. I'll be buying a PS5 next year but the HDMI 2.1/120hz is all talk until I actually see something concrete to say games will run at that level. 4k/60 is going to be the standard for the next few years most likely. Later gen games for the PS5 may very well do 4k/120 but who knows how far away that will be?

Guess it depends how future proof you want to be...

HDMI 2.1 also has VRR and ALLM. VRR is a big deal. It is already working wonders for number of games specially on XSX to avoid screen tearing. Number of games like COD, Star Wars Squadrons etc support 120fps and more will follow.

Oh, I have no doubt 120fps will become the standard, ALLM is implemented on most HDMI 2.0 anyways. My panasonic has it basically senses Game consoles and adjusts the setting accordingly.

VRR isin't even avaliable on the PS5 yet

"In an update to its official PlayStation 5 FAQ, Sony confirmed that HDMI 2.1 VRR will require a system software update that will be released later. The company did not provide a timeline. - "PS5 hardware supports Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) through HDMI 2.1. After a future system software update, PS5 owners will be able to use the VRR feature of compatible TVs when playing games that support VRR," said Sony. VRR, or Variable Refresh Rate, lets the TV/display synchronize its refresh rate in real-time to the frame rate output from the game console; for smoother, tear-free gameplay without judder and reduced input lag. Sony's choice of wording may suggest that PS5 will only support VRR over HDMI 2.1. However, this is not confirmed. Microsoft's Xbox One X and Xbox Series X support VRR over both HDMI 2.1 (up to 4K120) and HDMI 2.0 (up to 4K60)."

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#2611523 27-Nov-2020 08:02

mattwnz:

I just ordered the Sony X95. First new TV for nearly a decade. If you buy from the market you can also get 10% off with the cyber online coupon Noel Leemings Black market sale price.The only issue is that you have to have it delivered at a high delivery price. But the savings still make it worth it.

And the return costs/drama if you need support or anything done under the CGA since they don't have physical drop off points.
For the cost saving of $60 over other stores it might not be worth it buying through TheMarket.

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#2611650 27-Nov-2020 11:14

Opinions please - 55'' TV to pair with Xbox Series X that won't break the bank - that is, stay under $2,000.

Sony KD-55X9500H vs. LG 55NANO86PVA

LG has full HDMI 2.1 support including VRR, but then backlight bleed issues seem to be rampant. Sony only supports eARC, but picture quality is better?

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#2611659 27-Nov-2020 11:30

Kookoo:

Opinions please - 55'' TV to pair with Xbox Series X that won't break the bank - that is, stay under $2,000.

Sony KD-55X9500H vs. LG 55NANO86PVA

LG has full HDMI 2.1 support including VRR, but then backlight bleed issues seem to be rampant. Sony only supports eARC, but picture quality is better?

Sony 55" X90h is under $2000 and might be worth considering.
It's a little more "game" friendly than the x95h as it has HDMI 2.1 support coming.

The 65" x90h is also pretty goo value at ~$2,300 if you wanted the next step up in price/size.

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#2611664 27-Nov-2020 11:43

Changing tack a little bit here...

I've seen a lot of mention in OLED reviews about their potential for burn-in, and how the picture will fade over time. But these discussions have always been in contrast to LCD panels, which don't have the same shortfalls.

My last two primary TVs have both been plasmas, which also suffer from these issues. My current plasma was purchased in 2013, and the picture still looks pretty good to me after 7 years. And despite being an avid gamer, I've not experienced any burn-in issues with it.

So this tells me that these concerns with an OLED panel are probably nothing to worry about. But does anyone know how OLEDs compare to plasmas in this respect?

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#2611665 27-Nov-2020 11:46

jasonbug:

Kookoo:

Opinions please - 55'' TV to pair with Xbox Series X that won't break the bank - that is, stay under $2,000.

Sony KD-55X9500H vs. LG 55NANO86PVA

LG has full HDMI 2.1 support including VRR, but then backlight bleed issues seem to be rampant. Sony only supports eARC, but picture quality is better?

Sony 55" X90h is under $2000 and might be worth considering.
It's a little more "game" friendly than the x95h as it has HDMI 2.1 support coming.

The 65" x90h is also pretty goo value at ~$2,300 if you wanted the next step up in price/size.

Fair enough. Don't have enough wall space for a 65'' one, so I guess 55'' x90h is the way to go. Thanks!

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#2611736 27-Nov-2020 12:33

dclegg:

Changing tack a little bit here...

I've seen a lot of mention in OLED reviews about their potential for burn-in, and how the picture will fade over time. But these discussions have always been in contrast to LCD panels, which don't have the same shortfalls.

My last two primary TVs have both been plasmas, which also suffer from these issues. My current plasma was purchased in 2013, and the picture still looks pretty good to me after 7 years. And despite being an avid gamer, I've not experienced any burn-in issues with it.

So this tells me that these concerns with an OLED panel are probably nothing to worry about. But does anyone know how OLEDs compare to plasmas in this respect?

I have owned a multitude of plasmas. From entry level 1080P offerings(50" U20 series) to upper level Neo Plasmas(65" ST60 series). I have had no issues with burn in on all of them. It has to be noted that i used some sort of Cinema modes on them all and not some eye searing Vivid mode. I even gamed on them using everything from a Nintendo Wii U to a PS3/4. I "upgraded" the ST60 to a 4K Panasonic DX700. I had no choice as the ST60 had an issue with a line down one side of the screen,and being there were no new Plasmas,i was given a 65" DX700 4K LED as replacement. Worst thing ever...light bleed and blooming galore. The obvious upgrade was to an OLED. I have been using a 65" C7 OLED as my main screen for over 3 years now. Have had zero issues with it. Its definitely the best TV i have owned...it had to be to knock the ST60 off its perch(not counting the screen issue i had). These OLEDs have built in features to try and negate "burn in",but as long as you dont use eye searing modes 24/7 you should be fine. You will be a 100 years old by the time the panel fades. Plus with hdmi 2.1 capabilities the newer OLEDs like the LG CX have gaming features that would suit you to a Tee. Now the mission of finding a reasonably priced one?.

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#2611928 27-Nov-2020 16:05

billgates:
JPNZ:

I have the Panasonic GZ1000 and love it. I'll be buying a PS5 next year but the HDMI 2.1/120hz is all talk until I actually see something concrete to say games will run at that level. 4k/60 is going to be the standard for the next few years most likely. Later gen games for the PS5 may very well do 4k/120 but who knows how far away that will be?

Guess it depends how future proof you want to be...

HDMI 2.1 also has VRR and ALLM. VRR is a big deal. It is already working wonders for number of games specially on XSX to avoid screen tearing. Number of games like COD, Star Wars Squadrons etc support 120fps and more will follow.

I guess it is a case of future proofing - I think VRR and 2.1 are pretty significant features, and i'd hate to think in a year or two that i'd be contemplating a new display again. Having said that, is anyone aware of any upcoming features that neither of these displays have that could be worth waiting out for?

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#2611936 27-Nov-2020 16:24

jasonbug:

mattwnz:

I just ordered the Sony X95. First new TV for nearly a decade. If you buy from the market you can also get 10% off with the cyber online coupon Noel Leemings Black market sale price.The only issue is that you have to have it delivered at a high delivery price. But the savings still make it worth it.

And the return costs/drama if you need support or anything done under the CGA since they don't have physical drop off points.
For the cost saving of $60 over other stores it might not be worth it buying through TheMarket.

IANAL, but my understanding is...

Under the CGA, if I have a problem, I can go back to the retailer directly, Noel Leemings, as they are the retailer, selling on the market platform. The Markets terms below infact actually say I am transacting with the merchant eg Noel Leemings, and the Market is not party to the transaction. So I don't have to go through the market under the CGA to get any problems resolved. Likewise I could go to the manufacturer. So it shouldn't be any different from buying from Noel Leemings directly from my understanding. Likewise if the market closes, can still go back to Noel Leeming.

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#2611937 27-Nov-2020 16:30

dclegg:

Changing tack a little bit here...

I've seen a lot of mention in OLED reviews about their potential for burn-in, and how the picture will fade over time. But these discussions have always been in contrast to LCD panels, which don't have the same shortfalls.

My last two primary TVs have both been plasmas, which also suffer from these issues. My current plasma was purchased in 2013, and the picture still looks pretty good to me after 7 years. And despite being an avid gamer, I've not experienced any burn-in issues with it.

So this tells me that these concerns with an OLED panel are probably nothing to worry about. But does anyone know how OLEDs compare to plasmas in this respect?

I always said my next TV was going to be OLED. But one thing that has put me off, apart from burn in, is pulse width modulation, which is often used to decrease the brightness. This can affect some people as it is like a flicker. LED technology seems to have improved significantly, especially with LED array backlighting.

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