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#2650754 10-Feb-2021 08:46

roderickh:

I have the about the same distance and have gone with a 65" with no regrets... Albeit my wall space is actually limited to a 70".

Will you use the OLED advantages i.e. watching in dark conditions, or are you looking to capitalise on the hdmi 2.1 features?

https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00246472

Dark conditions yes. Not too fussed on 2.1 Primary use will be as main monitor for WFH and occasional movies/netflix.

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#2653036 10-Feb-2021 14:11

Like many in this thread we are looking to buy an OLED.

Our use case is for movies, tv series and sport. No gaming.

We will have an Apple TV 4K and Freeview Box ( we only have a satellite dish aerial ) connected via HDMI.

Our budget just manages to stretch to a 65 inch around $4000.

We have read and watched numerous reviews eg HDTVtest and rtings and have concluded that in an ideal world we would get an LG CX but these are above budget and not available.

So after looking in shop we have narrowed it down to LG BX or Panasonic HZ1000

The LG BX is $3997 and HZ1000 $3899. We have been offered an LG BX floor stock model at $3650. Allegedly it has only been on the floor for 2 weeks.

We cannot find any useful direct comparisons of these two so I am hoping for feedback please.

Our interpretation of what we have read is that the LG BX is similar to the CX but suffers from motion flicker in some circumstances. The LG BX has HDMI 2.1 and on board AirPlay which may be advantageous in the future. The HZ1000 seems to be very strong in terms of picture quality but lacks HDMI 2.1. So the LG BX offers some future proofing but may be inferior in picture quality.

If you have any feedback or opinions we would really appreciate it.

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#2653056 10-Feb-2021 14:47

paparata: Like many in this thread we are looking to buy an OLED.

Our use case is for movies, tv series and sport. No gaming.

We will have an Apple TV 4K and Freeview Box ( we only have a satellite dish aerial ) connected via HDMI.

Our budget just manages to stretch to a 65 inch around $4000.

We have read and watched numerous reviews eg HDTVtest and rtings and have concluded that in an ideal world we would get an LG CX but these are above budget and not available.

So after looking in shop we have narrowed it down to LG BX or Panasonic HZ1000

The LG BX is $3997 and HZ1000 $3899. We have been offered an LG BX floor stock model at $3650. Allegedly it has only been on the floor for 2 weeks.

We cannot find any useful direct comparisons of these two so I am hoping for feedback please.

Our interpretation of what we have read is that the LG BX is similar to the CX but suffers from motion flicker in some circumstances. The LG BX has HDMI 2.1 and on board AirPlay which may be advantageous in the future. The HZ1000 seems to be very strong in terms of picture quality but lacks HDMI 2.1. So the LG BX offers some future proofing but may be inferior in picture quality.

If you have any feedback or opinions we would really appreciate it.

No gaming, and you already have a ATV4K, I vote Panasonic! I personally prefer the PQ of Panasonic over LG OLEDs.

Regarding the hours - On the WebOS you can check hours used on under About this TV.

Previous 65" GZ1000 has gone as low as $3198 from memory so maybe it is worthwhile waiting.

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#2653057 10-Feb-2021 14:51

paparata: Like many in this thread we are looking to buy an OLED.

Our use case is for movies, tv series and sport. No gaming.

We will have an Apple TV 4K and Freeview Box ( we only have a satellite dish aerial ) connected via HDMI.

I've got a GZ1000 from last year, and can confirm it has both terrestrial and satellite tuners, and according to the specs the same applies too the replacement model - see https://www.panasonic.com/nz/consumer/televisions/oled-tvs/th-55hz1000z.html

This just means you'll not need the external Freeview box, and it could well be the same with the other brands as well, but I have no knowledge of this.

My sense is you won't regret purchasing any OLED TV, and the differences between brands and models isn't huge (unless stuff like HDMI 2.1 is critical, which you've noted it isn't in your case).

But once you've purchased an OLED I think there's no going back... I hate our LCD TV with even more passion now, and would certainly look to replace it with another OLED once my investment (aka Lotto) pays out.

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#2653058 10-Feb-2021 14:52

You will have Airplay through your ATV4K for longer than LG will update it I suspect.

The whole reason to get an OLED is for the picture quality.

The HZ1000 is a couple of years old now isn’t it?

I wouldn’t buy a floor model OLED regardless of how long they said it had been running.

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#2653061 10-Feb-2021 14:59

Dingbatt:

The HZ1000 is a couple of years old now isn’t it?

I wouldn’t buy a floor model OLED regardless of how long they said it had been running.

I think you're thinking of the imaginatively titled GZ1000 - the HZ1000 is, I believe, the replacement and current model.

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#2653062 10-Feb-2021 15:07

Dingbatt:

The HZ1000 is a couple of years old now isn’t it?

I wouldn’t buy a floor model OLED regardless of how long they said it had been running.

HZ1000 is the current model, JZ1000 will be the incoming 2021 model. I guess they didn't think IZXX00 would have the same ring to it.

Floor models can be worth it if you see yourself replacing it within 4-5 years, I reckon. You are getting a brand new warranty, so you are covered for major failures in the next couple of years, and maybe even good-will for a little after that.

Current model OLED panels have an estimated lifetime up around the 8000+ hours, so YMMV depending on usage.

EOL will start around May, so you may get some alright deals then, but the best prices tend to be Dec-Jan. I would agree as well to go HZ1000 over the BX if not using for gaming.

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#2653065 10-Feb-2021 15:17

Quite correct, I was thinking of the GZ.

My reasoning for not buying a floor model is they may not have been put into standby correctly to allow pixel refresh. But more importantly, the number of times I have seen display sets sitting with the Bluray start menu makes me shudder. In the OP’s case, a $350 saving is not worth the risk.

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#2653066 10-Feb-2021 15:21

ShinyChrome:

Current model OLED panels have an estimated lifetime up around the 8000+ hours, so YMMV depending on usage.

That's surprisingly low, I would've thought they would last 50k+ hours given the price tag..

The last C9 display I saw already had 4000 or so hours on it..

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#2653078 10-Feb-2021 15:39

roderickh:

ShinyChrome:

Current model OLED panels have an estimated lifetime up around the 8000+ hours, so YMMV depending on usage.

That's surprisingly low, I would've thought they would last 50k+ hours given the price tag..

The last C9 display I saw already had 4000 or so hours on it..

Yea I think ShinyChrome is way off there, in 2013 early gen OLED panels had lifespan of 30,000 hours, GZ/HZ and C9/CX panels have lifetimes of over 100,000 hours

As for the question, if 2.1 is not important then the HZ1000 is a better picture than the BX and CX. Panasonic's image processing is 2nd to none.

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#2653136 10-Feb-2021 16:02

Dingbatt:

My reasoning for not buying a floor model is they may not have been put into standby correctly to allow pixel refresh. But more importantly, the number of times I have seen display sets sitting with the Bluray start menu makes me shudder. In the OP’s case, a $350 saving is not worth the risk.

Fair enough, it's only worth doing if they are going to give you a decent discount. And yes, quite a few sale-people I have talked to just pull the power at night rather than power them off to allow the pixel refresh cycle to run.

roderickh:

That's surprisingly low, I would've thought they would last 50k+ hours given the price tag..

The last C9 display I saw already had 4000 or so hours on it..

~~My figures are a bit out of date and~~ it really depends on usage tbh. Due to the improvements in panel tech over the years, it is probably much closer to your figure than mine in practise. Panel deterioration is cumulative over time, so barring a major part failure, it will just keep on burning down until the brightness is insufficient, or more likely uneven sub-pixel wear compromises the image quality (burn-in), so only a long term test of each model year will tell.

LG claims 100,000 hours, but I would be curious as to what they would define as functional. If that is 100,000 hours on average before say, the panel itself can only produce 50% of specified brightness, then it will probably be retired well before that, given they don't start off with the greatest luminance.

Edit: Doy, I was getting my numbers mixed up with the RTINGs burn-in test.... 5 hours of sleep with a 2 hour break in the middle is not conducive to brain-work-good

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#2653144 10-Feb-2021 16:14

ShinyChrome:

LG claims 100,000 hours, but I would be curious as to what they would define as functional. If that is 100,000 hours on average before say, the panel itself can only produce 50% of specified brightness, then it will probably be retired well before that, given they don't start off with the greatest luminance.

Yes I believe its 100k hours to half luminance, but thats greater than LCD's 60-70k hours so its not even a worry. 100k hours is roughly 30 years at 10 hours a day.

No doubt most in here won't have TV's past 7-10 years old anyway

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#2653147 10-Feb-2021 16:19

JPNZ:

ShinyChrome:

LG claims 100,000 hours, but I would be curious as to what they would define as functional. If that is 100,000 hours on average before say, the panel itself can only produce 50% of specified brightness, then it will probably be retired well before that, given they don't start off with the greatest luminance.

Yes I believe its 100k hours to half luminance, but thats greater than LCD's 60-70k hours so its not even a worry. 100k hours is roughly 30 years at 10 hours a day.

No doubt most in here won't have TV's past 7-10 years old anyway

My last LG LED didn't even last 3.5 years

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#2653155 10-Feb-2021 16:50

Speaking of hours, my GZ1000 just had its 1000 hour panel maintenance on sunday night. When I went to switch it off it came up with a warning and said it would take 80-90 mins and not to switch it back on in that time.

It was already looking great so not sure it looks any better to my eyes but the next day I jumped into the service menu as below (for any other Pana owners) and it was on 1001 hours.

Menu > Help > System Information > Status 4

First set of numbers = Hours & Second set = times TV has been on/ off.

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#2655621 13-Feb-2021 12:05

Many thanks for the feedback. We have bought a Panasonic HZ1000

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