Does fibre mean no future Telecom VDSL plans?

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#794171 6-Apr-2013 08:19

plambrechtsen: Yes there are plans to launch VDSL. Can't comment more than that.

Can you hurry up :-/

It's been years since the linecards were installed, and I have heaps of customers which I'd like to be able to use it with. Cheers.

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#794213 6-Apr-2013 11:12

I've been with Telecom for years but waited long enough for Telecom to bring VDSL. I wanted the higher upload speed. It really annoys me that I'm splitting up my phone and broadband now.. But will give FFM a go.

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#794261 6-Apr-2013 12:32

Damager: I've been with Telecom for years but waited long enough for Telecom to bring VDSL. I wanted the higher upload speed. It really annoys me that I'm splitting up my phone and broadband now.. But will give FFM a go.

Looking forward to having you on board.

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#794359 6-Apr-2013 17:19

hio77:
quickymart: I want to check if my address can get VDSL (I think it can) but it looks like Chorus has changed the address checker and it doesn't show VDSL availability anymore - not that I can see, anyway.

call snap and have them run a pre-qual, for me i was just outside of the vdsl line on sat, and just outside of the 20mbit section on maps.

that would indicate outside of vdsl range and thus attentions should be to be expected over 10db, however prequal was 3db, and synced at 4db.. clearly within range, would seem a few cabinets are missed..

going slightly off topic, but apparently my parents home is in the greater than 5mbit range, while sitting at 60db attention and thus 2.5mbit is about the max that will get..

so personally i wouldnt put too much heart into the maps

I'm with Xtra and can't change ISP's due to my circumstances but was just wanting to know if I can get VDSL. If it's any help I'm about 600m from the Birkenhead exchange, which supplies me with my ADSL connection.

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#795141 8-Apr-2013 17:07

quickymart:
hio77:
quickymart: I want to check if my address can get VDSL (I think it can) but it looks like Chorus has changed the address checker and it doesn't show VDSL availability anymore - not that I can see, anyway.

call snap and have them run a pre-qual, for me i was just outside of the vdsl line on sat, and just outside of the 20mbit section on maps.

that would indicate outside of vdsl range and thus attentions should be to be expected over 10db, however prequal was 3db, and synced at 4db.. clearly within range, would seem a few cabinets are missed..

going slightly off topic, but apparently my parents home is in the greater than 5mbit range, while sitting at 60db attention and thus 2.5mbit is about the max that will get..

so personally i wouldnt put too much heart into the maps

I'm with Xtra and can't change ISP's due to my circumstances but was just wanting to know if I can get VDSL. If it's any help I'm about 600m from the Birkenhead exchange, which supplies me with my ADSL connection.

VDSL is effective to within 1.5km of a cabinet/exchange (approx.) to my knowledge so you should be fine. If you want to send me an email on josh.savage@telecom.co.nz I'll check for you.

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#799211 14-Apr-2013 17:06

Any news on when vdsl is coming?

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#799214 14-Apr-2013 17:11

Yyrael:VDSL is effective to within 1.5km of a cabinet/exchange (approx.) to my knowledge so you should be fine. If you want to send me an email on josh.savage@telecom.co.nz I'll check for you.

VDSL2 is really only a solution to around 800m - 1km on the limit. There is no way you'll get a Chorus VDSL2 install at 1.5km - and if you do the performance is not only going to be bad but you'll also be increasing the chances of impacting others in the same MPF.

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#799215 14-Apr-2013 17:13

quickymart: I'm with Xtra and can't change ISP's due to my circumstances but was just wanting to know if I can get VDSL. If it's any help I'm about 600m from the Birkenhead exchange, which supplies me with my ADSL connection.

I'm guessing you haven't checked the Chorus website yet and entered your address into their maps? That'll give you a pretty rough indication, but any ISP can do a prequal for you with Chorus.

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#799863 15-Apr-2013 20:58

Experts please check my stats below. Just connected VDSL with Full Flavour Media. I'm about 70 metres from the local cabinet, and always had good ADSL2 connectivity.

Now connected to VDSL tonight. No master splitter... yet. But decided I'd check to see how i went without the master splitter firstly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55726006@N07/8651769112/

Edit: Pic wouldn't show so link above.

Cheers

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#799886 15-Apr-2013 21:28

Damager: Experts please check my stats below. Just connected VDSL with Full Flavour Media. I'm about 70 metres from the local cabinet, and always had good ADSL2 connectivity.

Now connected to VDSL tonight. No master splitter... yet. But decided I'd check to see how i went without the master splitter firstly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55726006@N07/8651769112/

Edit: Pic wouldn't show so link above.

Cheers

why on earth would you get VDSL but not get a master filter???

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#799894 15-Apr-2013 21:45

NonprayingMantis:
Damager: Experts please check my stats below. Just connected VDSL with Full Flavour Media. I'm about 70 metres from the local cabinet, and always had good ADSL2 connectivity.

Now connected to VDSL tonight. No master splitter... yet. But decided I'd check to see how i went without the master splitter firstly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55726006@N07/8651769112/

Edit: Pic wouldn't show so link above.

Cheers

why on earth would you get VDSL but not get a master filter???

Good question. I had the other outlets in the house disconnected some years back, even the one for the Sky which I don't have anymore.

What are the theoretical maximums with VDSL? Does a master splitter mean hitting the attainables as per the stats above?

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#799904 15-Apr-2013 22:10

NonprayingMantis:
Damager: Experts please check my stats below. Just connected VDSL with Full Flavour Media. I'm about 70 metres from the local cabinet, and always had good ADSL2 connectivity.

Now connected to VDSL tonight. No master splitter... yet. But decided I'd check to see how i went without the master splitter firstly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55726006@N07/8651769112/

Edit: Pic wouldn't show so link above.

Cheers

why on earth would you get VDSL but not get a master filter???

Also for the cost. But as mentioned before, no master splitter yet.. just seeing how I'd go first without one.

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#799920 15-Apr-2013 22:37

surfisup1000:
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I'm so sick of my upload speed, but there are no plans (yet?) to bring fibre here. Gunshy about switching providers.

I've been a Telecom customer for 10 years and have come to trust them as a good quality provider.

As with you, I have been reluctant to change to a new ISP.

But Telecom have been disappointing me for some time now and Telecoms UFB was the final straw.

So I've been investigating other ISPs and in my opinion Snap is the best alternative. Snap offer VDSL and provide for a smooth transition to UFB when available.

Snaps fritzbox is compatible for both UFB and VDSL and has a built in 'dect' base station so you can use your existing DECT-GAP handsets over voip -- the handsets just connect to the fritzbox rather than your existing base station. You also get to keep your current telecom phone number.

Snaps pricing is simlar to Telecom (for the 500gb plan). But snap does offer 0-rated offpeak so if you use that then snap wins on a cost/gb basis.

The negatives of snap is that they are a smaller ISP and I'm not sure if they offer 24/7 support in case of outages. You also need to outlay $345-$395 for a fritzbox but this is one of the best things about the snap service so well worth it. If you don't have dect-gap handsets you may need to allow for that cost too.

Another negative , not specifically Snap related but VOIP does fail if the power goes out or the fritzbox crashes/reboots.

Snap mandate a high connection fee for VDSL/ADSL master splitters -- this is just the chorus fee passed on , but you can arrange this yourself for much less.

So far, I'm talking myself into it.

I recently switched from Telecom to Snap (Fibre though, so may not be directly comparable). Given I'd already jumped before Telecom released their UFB plans I personally was relieved that it turned out I'd made the right decision :-)

To address some of your points:

The Fritz box is transferrable to UFB - the price (for UFB anyway) may be lower if you sign for a term (e.g 24month).
The zero rating (for off peak / youtube ) has made a huge difference to data consumption at our house - we've dropped from a 500G/month plan to 200GB (and not in any danger of breaching that), so the switch to fibre has been a cost saving for us (neutral at worst). Telecom counts *everything* transferred across the connection. Snap, not so much. Last month I did an online backup of my primary PC (380GB) - done mainly offpeak, so not counting towards my data cap - with no issues/warnings/slowdown.
The helpdesk is 24/7 and has been very helpful when I had some issues early on
VOIP will indeed fail if you don't have a UPS. I considered installing a UPS, but decided I was happy with cellphone as a backup for phone service and internet.
Haven't had any issues with the fritzbox crashing. The fritzbox also runs an answering machine and fax-to-email gateway, and you can download an app to allow you to use your phone line from your iPhone/Android phone.
The VOIP service has been flawless - great quality, no breakup or lag - I was a little nervous about this as we had issues with VOIP service that was used as a 2nd line previously. Although this is over UFB - so can't vouch for VDSL

I say go for it! I'm loving my experience with Snap and haven't looked back.

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#799975 16-Apr-2013 07:50

Damager:
NonprayingMantis:
Damager: Experts please check my stats below. Just connected VDSL with Full Flavour Media. I'm about 70 metres from the local cabinet, and always had good ADSL2 connectivity.

Now connected to VDSL tonight. No master splitter... yet. But decided I'd check to see how i went without the master splitter firstly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55726006@N07/8651769112/

Edit: Pic wouldn't show so link above.

Cheers

why on earth would you get VDSL but not get a master filter???

Also for the cost. But as mentioned before, no master splitter yet.. just seeing how I'd go first without one.

To be honest I am surprised that Chorus let the service order go through without having a tech come and visit and install a Master Filter. I was fairly sure that Chorus have changed their rules and now mandate a Master Filter on all VDSL installs.

A Master Filter really is mandatory on all xDSL (ADSL & VDSL) lines in my personal view.

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#799996 16-Apr-2013 08:34

plambrechtsen:
Damager:
NonprayingMantis:
Damager: Experts please check my stats below. Just connected VDSL with Full Flavour Media. I'm about 70 metres from the local cabinet, and always had good ADSL2 connectivity.

Now connected to VDSL tonight. No master splitter... yet. But decided I'd check to see how i went without the master splitter firstly.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55726006@N07/8651769112/

Edit: Pic wouldn't show so link above.

Cheers

why on earth would you get VDSL but not get a master filter???

Also for the cost. But as mentioned before, no master splitter yet.. just seeing how I'd go first without one.

To be honest I am surprised that Chorus let the service order go through without having a tech come and visit and install a Master Filter. I was fairly sure that Chorus have changed their rules and now mandate a Master Filter on all VDSL installs.

A Master Filter really is mandatory on all xDSL (ADSL & VDSL) lines in my personal view.

I wonder if I got one for my adsl connection years ago. I can't remember. How can I tell? Not keen on rummaging under the house.

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