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Topic # 183977 5-Nov-2015 09:53
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for the last wee while a few of the routes one of my backup servers has been taking seem a little off 



seems to go the long scenic route via ASIA instead of via the US like most other traffic

if other spark customers could traceroute 62.210.16.2 and see if their routes are the same, it never used to be this way its changed in the last week or so.

Thanks.




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  Reply # 1421441 5-Nov-2015 10:01
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TelstraClear corporate not Spark, just for reference

6 137 ms 134 ms 135 ms i-0-0-4-0.1wlt-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.84.142.106]
7 135 ms 137 ms 135 ms i-0-4-0-6.tlot02.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.40.149.182]
8 134 ms 134 ms 134 ms gtt-peer.tlot02.pr.telstraglobal.net [134.159.63.182]
9 277 ms 280 ms 276 ms xe-8-3-1.par70.ip4.gtt.net [89.149.185.117]
10 279 ms 278 ms 278 ms online-gw.ip4.gtt.net [46.33.94.238]
11 286 ms 286 ms 286 ms 45x-s44-2-a9k2.dc3.poneytelecom.eu [195.154.1.107]
12 278 ms 278 ms 279 ms www.as12876.net [62.210.16.2]




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  Reply # 1421454 5-Nov-2015 10:12
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timmmay: TelstraClear corporate not Spark, just for reference

6 137 ms 134 ms 135 ms i-0-0-4-0.1wlt-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.84.142.106]
7 135 ms 137 ms 135 ms i-0-4-0-6.tlot02.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.40.149.182]
8 134 ms 134 ms 134 ms gtt-peer.tlot02.pr.telstraglobal.net [134.159.63.182]
9 277 ms 280 ms 276 ms xe-8-3-1.par70.ip4.gtt.net [89.149.185.117]
10 279 ms 278 ms 278 ms online-gw.ip4.gtt.net [46.33.94.238]
11 286 ms 286 ms 286 ms 45x-s44-2-a9k2.dc3.poneytelecom.eu [195.154.1.107]
12 278 ms 278 ms 279 ms www.as12876.net [62.210.16.2]


thats a pretty soild route /me cries




 
 
 
 


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“It’s the Internet”

This path works and it’s a result of decisions made by providers along the route. Sometimes we’re able to influence these for our benefit and sometimes the routes stand due to capacity, commercial or other reasons (outside our network).

In any case, you’re only seeing a forward path (and RTT), the return path is not necessarily the same.

Upstream provider relationships are continually changing and at that level we have direct dialog with those providers. Where it's practical, some alteration to routing may occur. However what you are observing isn't a fault per-se. 

What impact is this having on you?

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 1421470 5-Nov-2015 10:33
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SNAP Corporate

6 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 208.16.69.111.static.snap.net.nz [111.69.16.208]
7 140 ms 140 ms 140 ms ip4.gtt.net [173.205.51.174]
8 141 ms 140 ms 140 ms ae7-200.sjc20.ip4.gtt.net [173.205.51.173]
9 305 ms 304 ms 304 ms xe-1-2-0.par70.ip4.gtt.net [89.149.185.53]
10 310 ms 309 ms 309 ms online-gw.ip4.gtt.net [46.33.94.238]
11 309 ms 311 ms 309 ms 45x-s44-2-a9k2.dc3.poneytelecom.eu [195.154.1.107]
12 310 ms 309 ms 309 ms www.as12876.net [62.210.16.2]

Spark UFB does the same weirdness as OP






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  1    45 ms    45 ms    43 ms  172.17.2.92
  2    45 ms    46 ms    47 ms  118-92-71-254.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz [118.92.71.254]
  3    56 ms    55 ms    55 ms  bvi-400.bgnzctp02.chc.vf.net.nz [203.109.182.18]
  4    57 ms    56 ms    56 ms  bvi-188.bgnzctp02.chc.vf.net.nz [203.109.182.17]
  5    97 ms    93 ms    95 ms  10.123.80.58
  6   194 ms   194 ms   195 ms  ix-2-810.tcore1.tv2-tokyo.as6453.net [120.29.217.113]
  7   452 ms     *        *     if-9-2.tcore2.pdi-palo-alto.as6453.net [180.87.180.17]
  8     *      456 ms     *     if-2-2.tcore1.pdi-palo-alto.as6453.net [66.198.127.1]
  9   453 ms     *        *     if-1-2.tcore1.nyy-new-york.as6453.net [66.198.127.6]
 10   453 ms   454 ms   452 ms  if-0-2.tcore1.n0v-new-york.as6453.net [216.6.90.33]
 11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 12   451 ms     *      453 ms  if-4-2.tcore1.l78-london.as6453.net [80.231.130.33]
 13   467 ms   454 ms   453 ms  if-3-6.tcore1.pye-paris.as6453.net [80.231.130.86]
 14   455 ms   454 ms   455 ms  if-28-2.thar2.vi8-vitry-sur-seine.as6453.net [80.231.154.142]
 15   405 ms   402 ms   404 ms  5.23.25.18
 16   405 ms   406 ms   404 ms  195.154.1.254
 17   412 ms   405 ms   405 ms  45x-s44-2-a9k2.dc3.poneytelecom.eu [195.154.1.107]
 18   402 ms   403 ms   403 ms  www.as12876.net [62.210.16.2]

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1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.254
2 3 ms 2 ms 1 ms xx.xx.xx.xx.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [xx.xx.xx.xx]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms ae8-10.akbr6.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.116.5]
5 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.213]
6 30 ms 30 ms 30 ms xe7-0-9.sgbr3.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.182]
7 30 ms 30 ms 29 ms ae2-10.sgbr4.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.246]
8 29 ms 29 ms 29 ms ae-3.a04.sydnau03.au.ra.gin.ntt.net [103.13.80.125]
9 186 ms 186 ms 186 ms ae-3.r05.sydnau01.au.bb.gin.ntt.net [202.68.64.124]
10 190 ms 190 ms 192 ms ae-8.r20.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.76]
11 217 ms 217 ms 218 ms ae-3.r30.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.70]
12 * 283 ms 278 ms ae-3.r23.tkokhk01.hk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.89]
13 283 ms 281 ms 282 ms ae-8.r00.tkokhk01.hk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.83]
14 255 ms 256 ms 253 ms ix-24-0.tcore1.HK2-Hong-Kong.as6453.net [180.87.112.153]
15 382 ms 380 ms 383 ms if-7-2.thar1.HK2-Hong-Kong.as6453.net [180.87.112.142]
16 376 ms 365 ms 362 ms if-3-2.tcore2.SVW-Singapore.as6453.net [180.87.163.26]
17 402 ms 393 ms 389 ms if-6-2.tcore2.CXR-Chennai.as6453.net [180.87.37.13]
18 361 ms 364 ms 363 ms if-3-3.tcore1.CXR-Chennai.as6453.net [180.87.36.5]
19 389 ms 381 ms 380 ms if-7-2.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [180.87.36.33]
20 352 ms 353 ms 351 ms if-9-5.tcore1.WYN-Marseille.as6453.net [80.231.217.17]
21 360 ms 358 ms 356 ms if-8-1600.tcore1.PYE-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.217.6]
22 378 ms 394 ms 384 ms if-28-2.thar2.VI8-Vitry-Sur-Seine.as6453.net [80.231.154.142]
23 355 ms 360 ms 358 ms 5.23.25.18
24 360 ms 361 ms 360 ms 195.154.1.254
25 364 ms 360 ms 363 ms 45x-s44-2-a9k2.dc3.poneytelecom.eu [195.154.1.107]
26 357 ms 359 ms 365 ms www.as12876.net [62.210.16.2]

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1 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 18 ms 98 ms 98 ms 192.168.1.254
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 46 ms 47 ms 47 ms ae8-10.akbr6.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.116.5]
6 50 ms 47 ms 48 ms ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.213]
7 49 ms 48 ms 48 ms ae1-10.tkbr12.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.37]
8 172 ms 179 ms 173 ms xe8-0-2-0.lebr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.194]
9 188 ms 176 ms 203 ms ae3-10.sjbr3.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.127.25]
10 289 ms 202 ms 203 ms ae0.pabr5.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.74]
11 176 ms 176 ms 181 ms ix-8-2-5-0.tcore1.PDI-Palo-Alto.as6453.net [66.198.127.49]
12 764 ms 367 ms 362 ms if-1-2.tcore1.NYY-New-York.as6453.net [66.198.127.6]
13 338 ms 576 ms 336 ms if-0-2.tcore1.N0V-New-York.as6453.net [216.6.90.33]
14 702 ms 334 ms * if-5-2.thar1.NJY-Newark.as6453.net [66.198.70.81]
15 331 ms * 337 ms if-4-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130.33]
16 337 ms 337 ms 336 ms if-3-6.tcore1.PYE-Paris.as6453.net [80.231.130.86]
17 497 ms 507 ms 1021 ms if-28-2.thar2.VI8-Vitry-Sur-Seine.as6453.net [80.231.154.142]
18 336 ms 335 ms 545 ms 5.23.25.18
19 339 ms 446 ms 340 ms 195.154.1.254
20 668 ms 364 ms 336 ms 45x-s44-2-a9k2.dc3.poneytelecom.eu [195.154.1.107]
21 337 ms 337 ms 502 ms www.as12876.net [62.210.16.2]



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  Reply # 1440714 4-Dec-2015 20:15
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spark has once again ruined my evening with crap routing. fest your eyes on this fine peice of routing 





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  Reply # 1440719 4-Dec-2015 20:32
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but is it sparks fault or one of their upstream pairs?

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  Reply # 1440720 4-Dec-2015 20:48
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Jase2985: but is it sparks fault or one of their upstream pairs?


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  Reply # 1440721 4-Dec-2015 20:48
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would be nice to find out. spark's routing is generally ok but the last month or so its been basically rubbish to some providers.




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  Reply # 1440729 4-Dec-2015 21:11
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From what I've seen in the past year Spark seem to be working on increasing their connectivity options into Asia. This might just be a side effect of that.

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  Reply # 1440766 4-Dec-2015 22:36
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I'm assuming thats a Leaseweb USA server? i noticed that odd routing last night too! very frustrating. (using my laptop as a wifi card atm so thats why the first 2 hops are like that)


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  Reply # 1440768 4-Dec-2015 22:41
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This was happening to Snap when they were using Global Gateway as their upstream provider.

Thankfully they've moved away from them, terrible routing to Europe.



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  Reply # 1440774 4-Dec-2015 22:58
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having to use a VPN to bypass this issue for the time being. hopefully it can be improved quickly.




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