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richgamer

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Topic # 31423 17-Mar-2009 13:15

it's rumored microsoft is going to release internet explorer 8 in a few days and i'm running ie8 rc1 at the moment and everything on geekzone displays correctly, except geekzone freezes when i open 5 or more forum topics and scroll up and down on them.
however the problem is fixed when i click on the ie8 compatibility view feature which displays the website as if ie7 would display it.
the following website will tell you what ie8 is and how to make your geekzone website fully compatible with it:

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/introducing-compatibility-view.aspx

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Reply # 201714 17-Mar-2009 19:37

In light of the fact that this problem does not occur for me (and indeed myself and several others have been totally unable to replicate it), I would suggest that your computer is probably suffering performance and anxiety issues.

Instability of your OS install, virus/worm/trojan infection, user error, registry issues, etc... are all much more likely culprits than this website.

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Reply # 201722 17-Mar-2009 19:57

Running Windows 7 (64bit) with it's default beta of IE8, I was having major issues with every website if I had more than one tab open. Everything would freeze for up to about 1 minute when trying to change between the tabs. The 64bit version of IE8 beta did not freeze but was extremely sluggish. Disabling all BHO's had no effect.

After a bunch of other problems started ocurring (some of which I was able to partially fix, but couldn't find any trojans, viruses, spyware, worms or malware) I scrapped Windows 7 and reinstalled it on a reformatted hard drive. End of problems - almost.

I am not allowing 3 updates to complete as I have concluded from my experiences they contain elements with memory leaks. More relevant to this post however, is that IE8 (34bit) started freezing again.

Given that with all the software I had reinstalled I had specified they were not to install IE toolbars and/or other BHO's, I was a bit unhappy. That only left one other thing to try - uninstall the fingerprint reading software which I like because it allows me to be lazy and not remember passwords.

Now that this software is uninstalled I have no problems at all with IE8. In fact as I type this I have 11 tabs open (all in Geekzone) and can switch between them with no problems whatsoever. The particular software I used was written for Vista so I might reinstall it but specify it has to run in compatibility mode. It'll be an interesting experiment when I have the time.

Richgamer: I would suggest your IE8 problems are related to either a BHO (browser helper object) or some other piece of software which interacts with Internet Explorer, rather than any particular website.

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Reply # 201726 17-Mar-2009 20:04

I'm having to run geekzone with the compatiablity button on..... windows7 64but-ie8/

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Reply # 201772 17-Mar-2009 22:24

are you sure your running ie8 rc1?

because there are 3 pre release versions, ie8 beta 1, ie8 beta 2, and ie 8 rc1. I'm using ie8 rc1.

tony, open internet explorer 8, click on help then click on about ie then see if you can see 'update versions' and if your using ie8 rc1 like i am, it should say 'release candidate 1'.
if it doesn't then you won't be able to replicate the problem.

anyway, it won't hurt to update geekzone to fully support ie8 would it?

tonyhughes: In light of the fact that this problem does not occur for me (and indeed myself and several others have been totally unable to replicate it), I would suggest that your computer is probably suffering performance and anxiety issues.

Instability of your OS install, virus/worm/trojan infection, user error, registry issues, etc... are all much more likely culprits than this website.

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Reply # 201774 17-Mar-2009 22:30

Dratsab:
I am not allowing 3 updates to complete as I have concluded from my experiences they contain elements with memory leaks. More relevant to this post however, is that IE8 (34bit) started freezing again.

It will be those extra 2 bits causing the memory leaks!!

My views (except when I am looking out their windows) are not those of my employer.

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Reply # 201782 17-Mar-2009 23:20

richgamer: are you sure your running ie8 rc1?

What you're assuming here richgamer is that everyone is using IE 8 and windows.

Geekzone members are probably using a variety of operating systems and browsers. And more over would not use IE8 in a million years , not even if you paid them. They could be using any one of the variety of linux disrtros , OS / 2 , MS DOS , Atari O/s , Workbench , Mac OS X , Mac OS 9 , VMS, CMS , BSD , SolarisOS, Palm O/S, Symbian O/S even the Iphone o/s as their operating system. Their browser could be Safari , Firefox, Opera , Camino, Chrome, Lynx , Flock, .. the list goes on.

My other point is not all IE users on windows even use IE 8. Where I work they're still on IE 6. In fact most IT companies would rather use something that's proven not to crash which is why I say IMHO there is possibly some IT organizations in NZ that are still using IE 6 simply for easier support reasons.

So given these 2 points the possibilty the IE 8 may or may not work is a drop in the bucket IMHO.

PS Also Tony hughes didn't say he wasn't having problems with IE 8. He just said he wasn't experiencing the problems you are havig. He didn't say specifically that he is using IE8
PPS Isn't IE8 technically beta software ??

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Reply # 201784 17-Mar-2009 23:27

richgamer:
it's rumored microsoft is going to release internet explorer 8 in a few days and i'm running ie8 rc1 at the moment and everything on geekzone displays correctly, except geekzone freezes when i open 5 or more forum topics and scroll up and down on them.
however the problem is fixed when i click on the ie8 compatibility view feature which displays the website as if ie7 would display it.
the following website will tell you what ie8 is and how to make your geekzone website fully compatible with it:

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/introducing-compatibility-view.aspx

Wait.

You want the geezone admin to write a second version of the site just for 1 browser that AFAIK isn't even out of beta yet ?

Pffftt yeah right

PS Does the problem occur if you use a different browser ?

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Reply # 201785 17-Mar-2009 23:29

I can just add a tag to force IE8 to behave like IE7 when viewing Geekzone... But the thing is that I am using IE8 in quite a few laptops here and never had a problem.

Also last month was the first time Firefox passed Internet Explorer in number of visitor to this site...

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Reply # 201788 18-Mar-2009 00:11

are you using ie8 rc1 like me or an earlier version?

freitasm: I can just add a tag to force IE8 to behave like IE7 when viewing Geekzone... But the thing is that I am using IE8 in quite a few laptops here and never had a problem.

Also last month was the first time Firefox passed Internet Explorer in number of visitor to this site...

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Reply # 201792 18-Mar-2009 00:16

richgamer:it's rumored microsoft is going to release internet explorer 8 in a few days and i'm running ie8 rc1 at the moment and everything on geekzone displays correctly, except geekzone freezes when i open 5 or more forum topics and scroll up and down on them.

Do you experience this same issue when doing the same on any other site?

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Reply # 201796 18-Mar-2009 00:38

i wouldn't use your ie6 work computer honem. too much of a security risk.
ie7 and ie8 have phishing filters where if you go to a website with malware it warns you before you get there. ie7 and 8 also have a popup blocker so your pc won't crash when you get hundreds of popups.
ie8 and ie7 also have these security features ie6 doesn't have:
domain name anti-spoofing technology.
activeX opt in blocks activeX control unless it allowed to be installed.
improved css support. google css
now you said IT organizations don't want a browser to crash. ie7 doesn't crash. ie8 rc1 does because it's not the final version yet. in fact ie8 has a crash recovery feature where if your browser or pc crashes, and you launch ie8 again, it will take you back to the website/s you were at. it even brings back any text you were writing because i was typing in my name, age etc when signing up for a website, ie8 crashed, started it up again and crash recovery took me back to website i was at and my name, age etc was still filled in.

honem:
richgamer: are you sure your running ie8 rc1?

What you're assuming here richgamer is that everyone is using IE 8 and windows.

Geekzone members are probably using a variety of operating systems and browsers. And more over would not use IE8 in a million years , not even if you paid them. They could be using any one of the variety of linux disrtros , OS / 2 , MS DOS , Atari O/s , Workbench , Mac OS X , Mac OS 9 , VMS, CMS , BSD , SolarisOS, Palm O/S, Symbian O/S even the Iphone o/s as their operating system. Their browser could be Safari , Firefox, Opera , Camino, Chrome, Lynx , Flock, .. the list goes on.

My other point is not all IE users on windows even use IE 8. Where I work they're still on IE 6. In fact most IT companies would rather use something that's proven not to crash which is why I say IMHO there is possibly some IT organizations in NZ that are still using IE 6 simply for easier support reasons.

So given these 2 points the possibilty the IE 8 may or may not work is a drop in the bucket IMHO.

PS Also Tony hughes didn't say he wasn't having problems with IE 8. He just said he wasn't experiencing the problems you are havig. He didn't say specifically that he is using IE8
PPS Isn't IE8 technically beta software ??

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Reply # 201797 18-Mar-2009 00:39

i only experience this issue on geekzone.

nate:
richgamer:it's rumored microsoft is going to release internet explorer 8 in a few days and i'm running ie8 rc1 at the moment and everything on geekzone displays correctly, except geekzone freezes when i open 5 or more forum topics and scroll up and down on them.

Do you experience this same issue when doing the same on any other site?

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Reply # 201799 18-Mar-2009 01:15

richgamer: i wouldn't use your ie6 work computer honem. too much of a security risk.

I work on the same floor as the Infomation Services for a major council. So it would occur to me if these highly qualified IT professionals would know a little more about computer security than you. Then again I'm not sure if we are using IE6 or IE7. Regardless there hasn't been any penetrations at work. My point that not everyone uses IE 8 stands.

ie7 and ie8 have phishing filters where if you go to a website with malware it warns you before you get there. ie7 and 8 also have a popup blocker so your pc won't crash when you get hundreds of popups. etc etc etc

We use WebMarshall. It provides all of the features you have listed that IE 8 at an industrial level. Far stronger than simply using a different version of a web browser - the software protects all the web traffic for the council I work for.

now you said IT organizations don't want a browser to crash.

From my limited IT industry experience , large corporations don't changing the software they use across all their computers on their enterprise. See if everyone's using the same version of a browser it makes support so much simpler. My point wasn't about whether it does or does not crash or about it's reliability. My point was about that for many of the IT organizations they probably aren't going to be installing what is effectively a beta version of the browser.

Oh don't get me wrong. Eventually they might adopt IE 8. But only after a few updates have come out to make it even more rock solid at release , after their IT support teams have trained themselves on the inards of it , after their techinal support writers have revised all their support documents , after they've trained all these users on it and after they have put in plans for when things go to custard.

ie7 doesn't crash. ie8 rc1 does because it's not the final version yet.

Ahhh . So IE8 IS beta software. And you expect it not to crash. LOLZ.

The point I was trying to make is use of IE 8 isn't as widespread as you think. Mission critical applications like N.Comms Poiice , the Fire service , Traffic lights etc aren't exactly going to be using beta software like IE 8.

PS In fact the council I work for is still using NT for it's traffic light program lol

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Reply # 201883 18-Mar-2009 11:42

lol honem. you only realized now that the ie8 i'm talking about is a beta. lol. lol. lol.

in my first post here i said this "...and i'm running ie8 rc1". rc1 means the version before the final version.

by the way, microsoft no longer support ie6. what does that mean? it means when exploits come out that can allow a hacker to get into your pc through ie, your not protected in ie6.
i got about 5 security updates from microsoft for ie7 last year, ie6 got none. think of ie6 like a bucket of water with holes in it, you can put the bucket with holes into a bathtub so it stops the water from going onto the floor, but the bucket still has holes in it, so you can use WebMarshall etc but it won't help because ie6 has holes.

honem:
richgamer: i wouldn't use your ie6 work computer honem. too much of a security risk.

I work on the same floor as the Infomation Services for a major council. So it would occur to me if these highly qualified IT professionals would know a little more about computer security than you. Then again I'm not sure if we are using IE6 or IE7. Regardless there hasn't been any penetrations at work. My point that not everyone uses IE 8 stands.
ie7 and ie8 have phishing filters where if you go to a website with malware it warns you before you get there. ie7 and 8 also have a popup blocker so your pc won't crash when you get hundreds of popups. etc etc etc

We use WebMarshall. It provides all of the features you have listed that IE 8 at an industrial level. Far stronger than simply using a different version of a web browser - the software protects all the web traffic for the council I work for.

now you said IT organizations don't want a browser to crash.

From my limited IT industry experience , large corporations don't changing the software they use across all their computers on their enterprise. See if everyone's using the same version of a browser it makes support so much simpler. My point wasn't about whether it does or does not crash or about it's reliability. My point was about that for many of the IT organizations they probably aren't going to be installing what is effectively a beta version of the browser.

Oh don't get me wrong. Eventually they might adopt IE 8. But only after a few updates have come out to make it even more rock solid at release , after their IT support teams have trained themselves on the inards of it , after their techinal support writers have revised all their support documents , after they've trained all these users on it and after they have put in plans for when things go to custard.

ie7 doesn't crash. ie8 rc1 does because it's not the final version yet.

Ahhh . So IE8 IS beta software. And you expect it not to crash. LOLZ.

The point I was trying to make is use of IE 8 isn't as widespread as you think. Mission critical applications like N.Comms Poiice , the Fire service , Traffic lights etc aren't exactly going to be using beta software like IE 8.

PS In fact the council I work for is still using NT for it's traffic light program lol

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Reply # 201888 18-Mar-2009 12:03

richgamer:
by the way, microsoft no longer support ie6.

Says who? Certainly not Microsoft.

IE6 is still used extensively in the corporate world and will continute to be used for quite some time into the future. Your ideas of perceived security risks and how the real world actually operates are quite different to reality.

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