richms: Laws dont allow things, the prohibit things.

So where is the law that says that they cant pass this charge on to you, or make up any charge and stick it on the bill?

richms: Laws dont allow things, the prohibit things.

So where is the law that says that they cant pass this charge on to you, or make up any charge and stick it on the bill?

Geektastic:

richms: Laws dont allow things, the prohibit things.

So where is the law that says that they cant pass this charge on to you, or make up any charge and stick it on the bill?

Where is the law that says I have to pay whatever they randomly stick on my bill that is not part of my telecom service but of their tax liability?

tdgeek:

MikeB4: Isn't this just a few dollars? Small charge to improve our infrastructure in our most important revenue generating regions

$11.88 per year.

Not worth a thread or a news article IMHO

Geektastic :

I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....

Geektastic: I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....I do not accept that they have any right to simply pass on a cost imposed on them by the regulator/government in that way.

ajw: I disagree, you want it you pay for it.

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

MikeB4: Isn't this just a few dollars? Small charge to improve our infrastructure in our most important revenue generating regions

$11.88 per year.

Not worth a thread or a news article IMHO

I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....I do not accept that they have any right to simply pass on a cost imposed on them by the regulator/government in that way. They do not, for example, have line items for my share of their salary bill or transport costs.

If the cost increase requires them to make a business decision to increase their prices to cover it, then that is part of business in the same way that they might do that to reflect increased petrol costs or electricity costs. Passing the taxation charge on directly is not.

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

MikeB4: Isn't this just a few dollars? Small charge to improve our infrastructure in our most important revenue generating regions

$11.88 per year.

Not worth a thread or a news article IMHO

I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....I do not accept that they have any right to simply pass on a cost imposed on them by the regulator/government in that way. They do not, for example, have line items for my share of their salary bill or transport costs.

If the cost increase requires them to make a business decision to increase their prices to cover it, then that is part of business in the same way that they might do that to reflect increased petrol costs or electricity costs. Passing the taxation charge on directly is not.

Ouranos:

Geektastic: I've decided to underpay my VF bill by that amount exactly....I do not accept that they have any right to simply pass on a cost imposed on them by the regulator/government in that way.

You're going to be very busy working out how much to pay the suppliers of numerous goods and services. Many organisations have government and/or industry levies imposed on them which will be, at least in part, included in the price you pay (either directly or indirectly).

For example:
- House and contents insurance includes a levy from the Fire Service.
- Timber producers have the Forest Growers Levy for funding research and to promote the industry.
- Ships pay the Oil Pollution Fund levy to run New Zealand’s maritime oil pollution preparedness and response system.
- DairyNZ imposes a milk solids levy on all cow's milk sold to a dairy company.
- Many fruits and vegetables have a levy, such as the Summerfruit Commodity Levy and the Vegetable and Fruit Commodity Levy.
- The Electricity Industry Levy funds the Electricity Authority.
- The Problem Gambling Levy contributes to government costs of problem gambling.
- ACC levies are included in petrol to contribute to accident costs.
- etc, etc.

In many cases it will be difficult to work out by how much to underpay your bill as some suppliers don't provide an itemized breakdown of the levy. Perhaps there's an opportunity for someone to develop an app to help people with their civil disobedience?

andrewNZ:

ajw: I disagree, you want it you pay for it.

So rural people pay megabucks each for improved connections to enable them to run an effective business.
There is a significant increase the price of meat, milk, eggs, fruit, and vegies to cover the costs.
Your grocery shop costs more, dining out costs more, and so on.

You'll be unhappy about that too.


If you want a totally user pays system, go to the US, where even basic healthcare costs the earth.

ajw: I disagree, if people choose to live in a rural location why should the taxpayer have to contribute by paying millions of $$$ in subsidies to supply modern telecommunications infrastructure. People are not forced to live in rural locations.

Rikkitic:

ajw: I disagree, if people choose to live in a rural location why should the taxpayer have to contribute by paying millions of $$$ in subsidies to supply modern telecommunications infrastructure. People are not forced to live in rural locations.

That is a specious argument. Many people have little choice where they live. Many also spend their lives working hard to keep the economy afloat with farm and forestry exports, tourism, mining, etc. etc. I suppose you want to cram everyone in the country into Auckland high rises at $10 million for one bedroom. People who 'choose' to live in the country contribute every bit as much as you do, and have every bit as much right to community resources.