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#1877531 4-Oct-2017 22:50

How often are you expecting these alerts? I'm pretty sure they're not going to be a nightly occurrence.

btw, if you missed soooo much sleep last night, shouldn't you be in bed?

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#1877532 4-Oct-2017 22:51

Looks like a few are missing something here, it doesn't appear to use the normal methods of international notification. So you don't need something from the 90s to avoid it. Just one of the ones that supports their particular implementation of it.

Note the number of Samsung models - just like VF and spark sell.. And the VF branded ones. All mentioning a sept update.

My moto X hasn't had updates in over a year. And unless CD ask them to, I doubt it will.

Parallel Imported and non NZ specifics appear to have slept in. Or the version they use is Android 7+ only.

We expect the number of Emergency Mobile Alert capable phones to increase over time, as we anticipate most new phones sold by New Zealand mobile network operators will be capable of receiving Emergency Mobile Alerts.

In New Zealand, you won’t be able to opt-out of receiving Emergency Mobile Alerts. Phones may show settings that are used in other countries where they can opt out of different levels of alerts, but in New Zealand we will use a special broadcast channel that is permanently on.

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And in actual fact. Some google fu does indeed show that is the process originally planned.

The New Zealand mobile operators continue to liaise with the major mobile handset manufacturers
to progress the software changes required to receive cell broadcast messages. Not all existing
handsets will be capable to receive alerts when the service rolls out, the number of models will grow
overtime.

https://api.ecan.govt.nz/TrimPublicAPI/documents/download/3204283

And if the phone doesn't without update. And we can work out the channel number. Seems theres an app that'll listen. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digitata.cellbroadcast&hl=en&rdid=com.digitata.cellbroadcast

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#1877536 4-Oct-2017 23:14

Which will be shown when there are advertised/predictable tests set to happen, and we can then ‘test’ whether we can disable it and/or just ‘mitigate’ the particular sound it chooses to use to alert those who DO want the notification but DONT want to wake up in a mad ‘air raid siren’ panic?

FEIW here’s what my Google Fu found for you:
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/24039/turning-off-cell-broadcast-messages-in-ice-cream-sandwich

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#1877558 5-Oct-2017 04:56

I was on night shift when my 8+ started displaying the alert message.

I knew what it was as this is a thing in the US, but was surprised to see it occur three times, at 1:30am.

It's a good thing to be introducing, but as others have said, testing it at this time is just going to get people disabling the emergency alerts (easy to do).

My iPhone is on Vodafone, my colleague's iPhone 7 is on Telecom and had the emergency alerts were disabled in notifications (mine are enabled).
I got notified, he did not.

So for the others out there that were wondering, yes you can disable them (at least in iOS 11 anyway) but probably not a good idea if you want to know about an impending alien invasion or a zombie apocalypse.

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#1877584 5-Oct-2017 08:01

Disabling won't be possible despite your settings, and the test wasn't meant to be live and only affected vodafone.

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#1877591 5-Oct-2017 08:19

PaulBags: Disabling won't be possible despite your settings, and the test wasn't meant to be live and only affected vodafone.

I am with vodafone why didn't I get it?

also vodafone said they had nothing to do with them yet only vodafone customer's were affected which I find weird... does the signal they send out not go though cellsites?

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#1877595 5-Oct-2017 08:24

My guess is only vodafone had their end of the system live for reason. Or perhaps only vodafone's already pushed out the nessicary system update?

As to why you didn't get it, no idea but lucky.

None of the telcos seem to explain what exactly happened when something goes wrong so I don't expect we'll ever know.

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#1877600 5-Oct-2017 08:34

PaulBags: My guess is only vodafone had their end of the system live for reason. Or perhaps only vodafone's already pushed out the nessicary system update?

As to why you didn't get it, no idea but lucky.

None of the telcos seem to explain what exactly happened when something goes wrong so I don't expect we'll ever know.

Is it possible that in a real emergency I again may not receive the alert ?

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#1877602 5-Oct-2017 08:35

Starscream122:
PaulBags: Disabling won't be possible despite your settings, and the test wasn't meant to be live and only affected vodafone.

I am with vodafone why didn't I get it?

also vodafone said they had nothing to do with them yet only vodafone customer's were affected which I find weird... does the signal they send out not go though cellsites?

Reasons are possible all over.
Your phone doesn't have the update applied (presumed in this case to be needed to change use to a different CB channel than the world has as default) to do so
You weren't in the select test area (it's done per cell site broadcast and in many cases appears to be tsunami zone in CHC at least)

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#1877603 5-Oct-2017 08:37

Starscream122:
PaulBags: My guess is only vodafone had their end of the system live for reason. Or perhaps only vodafone's already pushed out the nessicary system update?

As to why you didn't get it, no idea but lucky.

None of the telcos seem to explain what exactly happened when something goes wrong so I don't expect we'll ever know.

Is it possible that in a real emergency I again may not receive the alert ?

All is revealed.
http://www.civildefence.govt.nz/get-ready/civil-defence-emergency-management-alerts-and-warnings/emergency-mobile-alert/emergency-mobile-alert-frequently-asked-questions-faq/

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#1877622 5-Oct-2017 09:12

PaulBags:

And there's any number of reasons people may not get warnings, power cuts to multiple towers for example, so that's still going to happen anyway.

So because the warnings are not 100% guaranteed to reach 100% of the population 100% of the time, we shouldn't bother?

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#1877631 5-Oct-2017 09:21

Where did I say we shouldn't bother?

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#1877632 5-Oct-2017 09:25

Oh you mean bother to force it on people? If things are going to ne mandatory there should be a damn good reason. Mandatory avalibility in time, mandatory on by default, those improve reach & safety. Mandatory absolutely horrible sound and mandatory cannot disable though - what's the reasoning there?

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#1877661 5-Oct-2017 09:52

Oblivian:
Starscream122:
PaulBags: My guess is only vodafone had their end of the system live for reason. Or perhaps only vodafone's already pushed out the nessicary system update?

As to why you didn't get it, no idea but lucky.

None of the telcos seem to explain what exactly happened when something goes wrong so I don't expect we'll ever know.

Is it possible that in a real emergency I again may not receive the alert ?

All is revealed.
http://www.civildefence.govt.nz/get-ready/civil-defence-emergency-management-alerts-and-warnings/emergency-mobile-alert/emergency-mobile-alert-frequently-asked-questions-faq/

I just went back over it and I see nowhere there that they explain the recent stuff up and who/why certain people were affected and not others?

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#1877664 5-Oct-2017 09:54

PaulBags: Oh you mean bother to force it on people? If things are going to ne mandatory there should be a damn good reason. Mandatory avalibility in time, mandatory on by default, those improve reach & safety. Mandatory absolutely horrible sound and mandatory cannot disable though - what's the reasoning there?

Saving lives is a damned good reason.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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