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#1434727 25-Nov-2015 19:21

Ignoring the melt down of my Surface which MS are replacing I am constantly fixing or looking for fixes for issues. They are generally minor except the Photo app issue I had and the non responsive Start menu.
The last time I had this level of problems with a Windows edition was Windows ME, even Vista was more stable.

It seems to me that MS are just not doing an appropriate level quality assurance, maybe staff cuts are hurting in this area.

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#1435971 27-Nov-2015 12:32

MikeB4: the non responsive Start menu.

did you find a fix for that it seems I have that same problem but it's completely random as to when it happens and for what reason I have no idea but all of a sudden the start menu just fails and the only recourse I have left is a full restart as just signing out and back in doesn't fix anything

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#1436039 27-Nov-2015 13:53

Rikkitic: OK now I'm really angry. I just lost a lengthy post as I was posting it. Text completely vanished into cyberspace, no trace, no possibility of recovery. Second time it has happened. This time I was able to definitely determine that it happened because #$#~@#$~$#!% Windows 10 decided to force an update on me at the exact moment I tried to post. I could see that from the time stamp on the notification that the update failed (We can't finish downloading your update... etc.)

Why does a megacorporation like Microsoft keep coming up with these kinds of utterly idiotic stupid counter-productive moronic brain-dead ideas? This forced update crap absolutely undermines the usefulness of Windows 10. I have updates turned off as far as Windows lets me but this kind of thing keeps happening. The people responsible for this unbelievably stupid short-sited policy need to be taken out and shot. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. How much are those idiots being paid?

Windows 10 pro has the option of turning them off altogether.

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#1436183 27-Nov-2015 17:02

Dreal:
Rikkitic: OK now I'm really angry. I just lost a lengthy post as I was posting it. Text completely vanished into cyberspace, no trace, no possibility of recovery. Second time it has happened. This time I was able to definitely determine that it happened because #$#~@#$~$#!% Windows 10 decided to force an update on me at the exact moment I tried to post. I could see that from the time stamp on the notification that the update failed (We can't finish downloading your update... etc.)

Why does a megacorporation like Microsoft keep coming up with these kinds of utterly idiotic stupid counter-productive moronic brain-dead ideas? This forced update crap absolutely undermines the usefulness of Windows 10. I have updates turned off as far as Windows lets me but this kind of thing keeps happening. The people responsible for this unbelievably stupid short-sited policy need to be taken out and shot. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. How much are those idiots being paid?

Windows 10 pro has the option of turning them off altogether.

Of course it does. Pro has always had those few little features that would be mighty useful for home users who want to do a wee bit more than email and facebook.

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#1436223 27-Nov-2015 18:32

MikeB4: Ignoring the melt down of my Surface which MS are replacing I am constantly fixing or looking for fixes for issues. They are generally minor except the Photo app issue I had and the non responsive Start menu.
The last time I had this level of problems with a Windows edition was Windows ME, even Vista was more stable.

It seems to me that MS are just not doing an appropriate level quality assurance, maybe staff cuts are hurting in this area.

I feel exactly the same way. They need to go back to QA the way it was post Vista. Vista itself wasn't the nightmare people thought it was, it was hurt by Intel having a Lot of old inventory that they put MS under pressure to say was Vista compatible when it wasn't, and secondly, because of MS's long standing history of making last minute changes to it's driver systems, the big companies refused to create drivers for Vista until it went Gold, and severely underestimated the amount of work involved.

Vista itself was a very stable core product, very little was actually changed between Vista and 7 in terms of core base code.

W10 is a nightmare for stability.

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#1436386 27-Nov-2015 22:26

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MikeB4: Ignoring the melt down of my Surface which MS are replacing I am constantly fixing or looking for fixes for issues. They are generally minor except the Photo app issue I had and the non responsive Start menu.
The last time I had this level of problems with a Windows edition was Windows ME, even Vista was more stable.

It seems to me that MS are just not doing an appropriate level quality assurance, maybe staff cuts are hurting in this area.

I feel exactly the same way. They need to go back to QA the way it was post Vista. Vista itself wasn't the nightmare people thought it was, it was hurt by Intel having a Lot of old inventory that they put MS under pressure to say was Vista compatible when it wasn't, and secondly, because of MS's long standing history of making last minute changes to it's driver systems, the big companies refused to create drivers for Vista until it went Gold, and severely underestimated the amount of work involved.

Vista itself was a very stable core product, very little was actually changed between Vista and 7 in terms of core base code.

W10 is a nightmare for stability.

Stability wise, the only thing I have noticed (and I have run games, old and new software, all sorts), is that skype calls (ironically a microsoft product) can cause crashes. Some of the time. Now that's pretty bad because its software from the same company, but its also hardly the crash nightmare of pre-NT kernel windows.

Otherwise, apart from this one skype issue, I've had, it seems stability wise to be identical to windows 7. And probably more stable than 8, which used to stall in update processes for a lot of people, and just generally was arse on anything but highly compatible hardware.

So maybe so far I'd rate w10 better than 8, slightly worse than 7, and considering its a rolling release, and the first version, I think isn't too bad. It's not like early releases of any other software, don't also have issues - android, ios, the latest game, whatever...

So its relative - less or more issues, a certain number feels like too much. Right?

But here you imply that w10 is terrible for stability. Which raises an eyebrow for me. Your experience must be pretty different from mine.

What kind of crash/stall issues are you guys having? With what software/hardware?

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#1436396 27-Nov-2015 22:34

On the issue of w10 speed btw, for gaming. I have older hardware. On win7, I had a game where the framerates weren't just unplayable, they were hit yourself in the head with a boot, OMG my computer is too slow, slideshows.

Installed w10. The game runs smoothly, perfectly playable framerates. Everything else is also faster, browser loading, program running and switching.

Although I will also point out that the graphical enhancements in w10 run poorly on older systems, and seem to chew up some of that extra speed. Best to turn dem pretty animations off, if your computer is older.

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#1436452 27-Nov-2015 23:46

I can no longer shutdown my PC.

This is an issue from one of the updates.

The initial Windows 10 upgrade didn't have this problem.

FWIW.. CPU: 5820K, AsRock X99 Extreme 4, Corsair 860i PSU, Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 G1 Gaming - I think that is all that could affect the issue.

I have done searches. But, not found anything useful.

Also, I am familiar with all the control panel power settings. No problem there.

Probably some registry setting that updates have not dealt with correctly.

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#1436490 28-Nov-2015 00:56

JWR:
I can no longer shutdown my PC.

This is an issue from one of the updates.

The initial Windows 10 upgrade didn't have this problem.

FWIW.. CPU: 5820K, AsRock X99 Extreme 4, Corsair 860i PSU, Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 G1 Gaming - I think that is all that could affect the issue.

I have done searches. But, not found anything useful.

Also, I am familiar with all the control panel power settings. No problem there.

Probably some registry setting that updates have not dealt with correctly.

Ahhh, so you upgraded, rather than did a fresh install?

Well that hasn't really ever worked right. I tried windows xp and 7 to 8, and it just completely died. I also tried 7 to 10, and it failed during installation. Lucky really, those upgrades over wildly different OS versions, are always a major headache - much much much better to do a fresh install.

Worth just migrating your files, e-mail etc, and re-installing all the software on a fresh windows 10.

No wonder your having problems there is some old obscure registry setting that windows 10 couldn't possibly have factored in.

I mean, I'd do an upgrade on a basically fresh system, such as the factory state of a windows 7 or 8 machine, just to better capture obscure drivers - with next to nothing program wise installed, or settings changes, but otherwise, just don't do it - fresh install has been the only clean/stable/safe way to upgrade a windows version, since IDK, like the 90s...

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#1436491 28-Nov-2015 00:57

MikeB4: Ignoring the melt down of my Surface which MS are replacing I am constantly fixing or looking for fixes for issues. They are generally minor except the Photo app issue I had and the non responsive Start menu.
The last time I had this level of problems with a Windows edition was Windows ME, even Vista was more stable.

It seems to me that MS are just not doing an appropriate level quality assurance, maybe staff cuts are hurting in this area.

Is it the same with you, did you also do an upgrade, rather than a fresh install?

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#1436536 28-Nov-2015 06:18

Dreal:
MikeB4: Ignoring the melt down of my Surface which MS are replacing I am constantly fixing or looking for fixes for issues. They are generally minor except the Photo app issue I had and the non responsive Start menu.
The last time I had this level of problems with a Windows edition was Windows ME, even Vista was more stable.

It seems to me that MS are just not doing an appropriate level quality assurance, maybe staff cuts are hurting in this area.

Is it the same with you, did you also do an upgrade, rather than a fresh install?

Fresh install.

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#1438124 30-Nov-2015 20:44

Dreal:
JWR:
I can no longer shutdown my PC.

This is an issue from one of the updates.

The initial Windows 10 upgrade didn't have this problem.

FWIW.. CPU: 5820K, AsRock X99 Extreme 4, Corsair 860i PSU, Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 G1 Gaming - I think that is all that could affect the issue.

I have done searches. But, not found anything useful.

Also, I am familiar with all the control panel power settings. No problem there.

Probably some registry setting that updates have not dealt with correctly.

Ahhh, so you upgraded, rather than did a fresh install?

Well that hasn't really ever worked right. I tried windows xp and 7 to 8, and it just completely died. I also tried 7 to 10, and it failed during installation. Lucky really, those upgrades over wildly different OS versions, are always a major headache - much much much better to do a fresh install.

Worth just migrating your files, e-mail etc, and re-installing all the software on a fresh windows 10.

No wonder your having problems there is some old obscure registry setting that windows 10 couldn't possibly have factored in.

I mean, I'd do an upgrade on a basically fresh system, such as the factory state of a windows 7 or 8 machine, just to better capture obscure drivers - with next to nothing program wise installed, or settings changes, but otherwise, just don't do it - fresh install has been the only clean/stable/safe way to upgrade a windows version, since IDK, like the 90s...

Well yes it was an upgrade from Windows 8.1.

However, the problem didn't occur immediately after the upgrade. But, instead after I applied some Windows updates.

The problem is possibly related to me upgrading rather installing. But, it could also be related to using an uncommon CPU/Chipset/PSU combo as well.

While I agree, a clean install is easiest. It isn't always desirable or practicable.

I have experienced a lot of Windows/Windows Server upgrades and versions (1-10).

Sometimes, you just have to work through the problems.

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#1448445 10-Dec-2015 23:59

ugh. So on 2 of my computers somehow the ability to click start and then start typing is broken. Now nothing types! anyone else seen this ? How do I fix it?