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#1354743 29-Jul-2015 18:11

richms: Ok worked on the slow 16 gig stick second time around.

Its now "preparing" on the lappy so will see how this goes.

Edit: Ok, its asking for a key, which I dont have because this is a windows 8.1 machine with it inbuilt anyway.

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Windows 10 needs a Windows 10 key

Your Windows 8.1 key has a Windows 8.1 key. You get the Windows 10 key by upgrading your activated version of Windows 8.1.

Once you’ve upgraded to Windows 10 using the free upgrade offer, you will be able to reinstall, including a clean install, on the same device. You won’t need a product key for re-activations on the same hardware. If you make a meaningful change to your hardware, you may need to contact customer support to help with activation. You’ll also be able to create your own installation media like a USB drive or DVD, and use that to upgrade your device or reinstall after you’ve upgraded.

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#1354744 29-Jul-2015 18:13

Ok so how do I get the free update offer to appear? This seems a lot more difficult than it should be.

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#1354745 29-Jul-2015 18:14

richms: Ok so how do I get the free update offer to appear? This seems a lot more difficult than it should be.

run setup.exe from the ISO you downloaded in your activated Windows 7/8/8.1 machine

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#1354746 29-Jul-2015 18:14

And will I have to download the 3 gigs in windows update on every PC that it will work on?

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#1354747 29-Jul-2015 18:16

richms: And will I have to download the 3 gigs in windows update on every PC that it will work on?

if you upgrade thru WU it will be about 3Gb per machine

so use the ISO on those machines. You'll need to for domain joined machines etc.

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#1354751 29-Jul-2015 18:24

The embedded product key would be for Windows 8.1; that won’t activate Windows 10.

You can use the downloadable ISO at http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 which has an embedded product key. Using that ISO, run SETUP.EXE *from within Windows 8.1 so that it can detect that you have a licensed, activated OS*. Then when it asks what you want to migrate, choose “nothing” or “data only”. That will result in a “clean” Windows 10 OS that can successfully activate.

If you do a clean install using Windows 10 media (any media) and never went through the upgrade process, you won’t have a license and the machine won’t activate.

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#1354752 29-Jul-2015 18:24

Ok it looks like I chose pro when I downloaded and the windows on the lappy is only good for home, a notice of that being the case would have been nice rather than just asking for a key like that.

Are there upgrades available like there was for 8 to get it to pro?

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#1354753 29-Jul-2015 18:25

Pro Pack costs US$99

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#1354770 29-Jul-2015 18:39

nathan: The embedded product key would be for Windows 8.1; that won’t activate Windows 10.

You can use the downloadable ISO at http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 which has an embedded product key. Using that ISO, run SETUP.EXE *from within Windows 8.1 so that it can detect that you have a licensed, activated OS*. Then when it asks what you want to migrate, choose “nothing” or “data only”. That will result in a “clean” Windows 10 OS that can successfully activate.

If you do a clean install using Windows 10 media (any media) and never went through the upgrade process, you won’t have a license and the machine won’t activate.

Do we skip entering the product key, or enter the 8.1, one?

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#1354776 29-Jul-2015 18:44

semigeek:
nathan: The embedded product key would be for Windows 8.1; that won’t activate Windows 10.

You can use the downloadable ISO at http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 which has an embedded product key. Using that ISO, run SETUP.EXE *from within Windows 8.1 so that it can detect that you have a licensed, activated OS*. Then when it asks what you want to migrate, choose “nothing” or “data only”. That will result in a “clean” Windows 10 OS that can successfully activate.

If you do a clean install using Windows 10 media (any media) and never went through the upgrade process, you won’t have a license and the machine won’t activate.

Do we skip entering the product key, or enter the 8.1, one?

you can't install a brand new copy of Win10 with an 8.1 Key.

To keep that license working, you must activate your Windows 8.1 copy, and then make the upgrade with the Win10 ISO (You must run the SETUP.EXE from the Win10 ISO in your Win 8.1 system.

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#1354779 29-Jul-2015 18:49

nathan:
semigeek:
nathan: The embedded product key would be for Windows 8.1; that won’t activate Windows 10.

You can use the downloadable ISO at http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 which has an embedded product key. Using that ISO, run SETUP.EXE *from within Windows 8.1 so that it can detect that you have a licensed, activated OS*. Then when it asks what you want to migrate, choose “nothing” or “data only”. That will result in a “clean” Windows 10 OS that can successfully activate.

If you do a clean install using Windows 10 media (any media) and never went through the upgrade process, you won’t have a license and the machine won’t activate.

Do we skip entering the product key, or enter the 8.1, one?

you can't install a brand new copy of Win10 with an 8.1 Key.

To keep that license working, you must activate your Windows 8.1 copy, and then make the upgrade with the Win10 ISO (You must run the SETUP.EXE from the Win10 ISO in your Win 8.1 system.

Yep, I know that part. I'm doing a 7 machine with SP1 and an 8.1 machine. Both are activated. When it comes to Install from running it within windows, it asks for a product key, I enter my 7 one or 8.1 one and it says key not working or something.

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#1354784 29-Jul-2015 18:53

semigeek:
nathan:
semigeek:
nathan: The embedded product key would be for Windows 8.1; that won’t activate Windows 10.

You can use the downloadable ISO at http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 which has an embedded product key. Using that ISO, run SETUP.EXE *from within Windows 8.1 so that it can detect that you have a licensed, activated OS*. Then when it asks what you want to migrate, choose “nothing” or “data only”. That will result in a “clean” Windows 10 OS that can successfully activate.

If you do a clean install using Windows 10 media (any media) and never went through the upgrade process, you won’t have a license and the machine won’t activate.

Do we skip entering the product key, or enter the 8.1, one?

you can't install a brand new copy of Win10 with an 8.1 Key.

To keep that license working, you must activate your Windows 8.1 copy, and then make the upgrade with the Win10 ISO (You must run the SETUP.EXE from the Win10 ISO in your Win 8.1 system.

Yep, I know that part. I'm doing a 7 machine with SP1 and an 8.1 machine. Both are activated. When it comes to Install from running it within windows, it asks for a product key, I enter my 7 one or 8.1 one and it says key not working or something.

does the edition of Windows match up with the ISO?

EDIT: Also does it let you just click Next without entering a key?

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#1354790 29-Jul-2015 18:59

Ok well the gaming PC didnt ask for a key in setup.exe, stuffed around for ages, rebooted to a screen with the choice to install windows, and that then is asking for a key. It has a skip button but I was under the impression that it would do an upgrade, yet after pressing skip it was asking if I wanted to keep my files or not.

WTF going on. reooting back into 7 if it will let me and will just leave it for now.

edit: ok real WTF. rebooted again and it asked for 32 or 64 bit install. rebooted again and its now got a big round %age upgraded thing on it so perhaps there is some hope,

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#1354792 29-Jul-2015 19:00

nathan:
semigeek:
nathan:
semigeek:
nathan: The embedded product key would be for Windows 8.1; that won’t activate Windows 10.

You can use the downloadable ISO at http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 which has an embedded product key. Using that ISO, run SETUP.EXE *from within Windows 8.1 so that it can detect that you have a licensed, activated OS*. Then when it asks what you want to migrate, choose “nothing” or “data only”. That will result in a “clean” Windows 10 OS that can successfully activate.

If you do a clean install using Windows 10 media (any media) and never went through the upgrade process, you won’t have a license and the machine won’t activate.

Do we skip entering the product key, or enter the 8.1, one?

you can't install a brand new copy of Win10 with an 8.1 Key.

To keep that license working, you must activate your Windows 8.1 copy, and then make the upgrade with the Win10 ISO (You must run the SETUP.EXE from the Win10 ISO in your Win 8.1 system.

Yep, I know that part. I'm doing a 7 machine with SP1 and an 8.1 machine. Both are activated. When it comes to Install from running it within windows, it asks for a product key, I enter my 7 one or 8.1 one and it says key not working or something.

does the edition of Windows match up with the ISO?

EDIT: Also does it let you just click Next without entering a key?

Yep, well the 7 machine is 32bit so is the ISO, but I can download the ISO again to make sure. If I skip entering the key, it goes to upgrade or custom and upgrade just tells me to remove the installation media and doesn't do anything from there on in. But I can download the ISO again and see if that makes a difference.

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#1354798 29-Jul-2015 19:13

It seems it was booting off the stick and thinking it needed to do a complete reinstallation, pulled the stick and it booted off the SSD and is now continuing again.

Probably confused since the SSD is partition table and not GPT so will only legacy boot so a UEFI loader would see the SSD as having no OS on it.

Bit of an oversight on their part. At least with 7 you had to specifically make the USB a UEFI booting one so if you had a legacy boot HDD/SSD it wouldnt get screwed up on a normaly preared stick.

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