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#2778921 15-Sep-2021 17:21

The travel exemptions for lawyers are very specific. Lawyers were specifically warned by the Law Society not to abuse it. Regardless if that document was presented or not, the lawyer partner will face consequences from the professional body. Hard to say what that might be. Depends how bad it is. That will depend on the assessment of the body not so much the court.

The thing to remember is this case has not gone to court yet. No evidence has been offered in defence or prosecution.

Who knows, this couple may have needed to urgently fly to Wanaka to provide hay and legal advice to a starving horse wrongly accused of a crime.

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#2778928 15-Sep-2021 17:36

gzt: The travel exemptions for lawyers are very specific. Lawyers were specifically warned by the Law Society not to abuse it. Regardless if that document was presented or not, the lawyer partner will face consequences from the professional body. Hard to say what that might be. Depends how bad it is. That will depend on the assessment of the body not so much the court.

The thing to remember is this case has not gone to court yet. No evidence has been offered in defence or prosecution.

Who knows, this couple may have needed to urgently fly to Wanaka to provide hay and legal advice to a starving horse wrongly accused of a crime.

Even if she does come up against the Law Society their transparency is about as much as a piece of toast so would never know the outcome.

I am interested to know what they actually used as the essential service for their escape.

Perhaps one of his horses needed a lawyer ??

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#2778943 15-Sep-2021 18:01

ezbee:

In response to questions, police media said the person in question spoke to staff at the border checkpoint and were allowed to continue their travel due to concerns for their safety.

Who is the "their" they're referring to?

The people on the border were threatened - or the escapee giving some reason as to why they needed to flee?

I need to find out, so I can adjust my rage to the appropriate level.

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#2778946 15-Sep-2021 18:07

JaseNZ:

Even if she does come up against the Law Society their transparency is about as much as a piece of toast so would never know the outcome.

I am interested to know what they actually used as the essential service for their escape.

Perhaps one of his horses needed a lawyer ??

Yeah/nah. They do suppress names and details sometimes - but there's probably no point now everybody knows - and the media will be all over it like flies on s^&%.

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#2779015 15-Sep-2021 19:08

JaseNZ:

I am interested to know what they actually used as the essential service for their escape.

Perhaps one of his horses needed a lawyer ??

I read somewhere that he had a legitimate travel exemption to feed horses. Its possible they travelled together under the premise to feed horses as its a family business.

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#2779016 15-Sep-2021 19:13

Senecio:

I read somewhere that he had a legitimate travel exemption to feed horses. Its possible they travelled together under the premise to feed horses as its a family business.

More likely to have come from the other end of a horse - it lacks teeth.

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#2779110 16-Sep-2021 08:07

geekIT:

Odd that none of you have mentioned the possibility that, if these two (plus anyone else in the family who may have been involved) get off unscathed, other privileged members of the 1.6m Team might be tempted to follow their example.

"It's only going to cost us $4,000, poppet. I made that before breakfast."

For me, that's the whole point. Anyone who can afford to engage a QC - and probably a PR consultant - to defend themselves from a $4000 fine is going to lose $4000 in the lounge cushions.

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#2779116 16-Sep-2021 08:30

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maoriboy:

Oh no, they'd have all their skis and snowboards a the holiday home and just be packing clothes I would say.

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Its a bit hard to convince the Cops at the blockade you are doing legit essential business with boards/skis on the roof/in the car as you head across the border...

Their mountain gear was either in Wanaka or they were going to rent it there...

Yeah, na. Whilst I've never had a holiday home in Wanaka, I have done a fair amount of skiing. I'd speculate that most of their skiing would be done at Ruapehu, and storing a complete second set of ski gear, particularly clothing, at Wanaka seems unlikely.

Even if all they took was undies and toothbrushes, it's still premeditated.

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#2779120 16-Sep-2021 09:02

I'm not buying this sudden switch in tone from the media where it's our fault that we're annoyed at them and not their fault for doing something incredibly stupid during a lockdown at our highest alert level. Something stinks.

It started on The Project as soon as they were named, and if you're familiar with The Project, running to the aid of well-off people who have made high profile indiscretions isn't their thing. Are we seeing media outlets already positioning themselves for the exclusive mea-culpa interviews that PR managers are known to dangle?

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#2779126 16-Sep-2021 09:14

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-cruel-reaction-to-wanaka-holidaymakers-product-of-a-campaign-of-fear/OKMNXSNZQ5NHGQVNCBSKFK57FI/

If people want to get up in arms about something, why aren't they enraged at our stupidly low vaccination rates?

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#2779134 16-Sep-2021 09:24

GV27:

I'm not buying this sudden switch in tone from the media where it's our fault that we're annoyed at them and not their fault for doing something incredibly stupid during a lockdown at our highest alert level. Something stinks.

It started on The Project as soon as they were named, and if you're familiar with The Project, running to the aid of well-off people who have made high profile indiscretions isn't their thing. Are we seeing media outlets already positioning themselves for the exclusive mea-culpa interviews that PR managers are known to dangle?

I would be very surprised if they aren't at least charged. Since the courts have already said that any charge will be heard by a Wellington based judge to avoid any potential bias they are already making it clear that they want to be seen to be unbiased but I would also say indicating that they expect a charge is imminent.

If they are getting death threats then that should also be dealt with by the police, as that's clearly not good enough, while still allowing people to express that they're not happy about the couple's behaviour. All this other PR nonsense is just noise and theatre. Let's have the legal process play out and just ignore the rest now.

It appears from the outside that this case has very few mitigating circumstances so it will be very interesting where the courts land on the case.

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#2779138 16-Sep-2021 09:28

I'd like to know why there hasn't also been as much outrage and naming and shaming of the other border breachers.

Is it simply because they're rich, entitled, "not like the rest of us"?

It feels like moral outrage mixed with tall poppy syndrome and a bit of jealousy thrown in.

I felt initially outraged and I still want to see these people punished, but I also want to see the others who fled lockdown punished - the (assumed) beneficiary that fled to Whakatane who got caught when signing in at WINZ, the pot dealers who tried to get across the border, etc etc.

The coverage and outrage has been disproportionate in this specific case, mostly because they are from a wealthy background and then tried to use that privilege to quieten things down.

I was speaking to a neighbour on the phone yesterday who told me he'd seen a copy of the equestrian chap's business card posted online, so he sent him a text message letting him know how he felt about it all. Madness!

In fairness, he said he got a reply that was polite and thoughtful and apologetic etc (I'd say a well-crafted standard response). But seriously...would he have sent the beneficiary or the drug dealers a text message?

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#2779139 16-Sep-2021 09:30

networkn:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-cruel-reaction-to-wanaka-holidaymakers-product-of-a-campaign-of-fear/OKMNXSNZQ5NHGQVNCBSKFK57FI/

If people want to get up in arms about something, why aren't they enraged at our stupidly low vaccination rates?

Personally I'm not enraged but disappointed that we can't explain to a large number of people why getting the vaccine is worth the effort, safe and effective. Hopefully everyone that's upset about this will also put the effort in to change someone's mind when they find them but not in a "you're an idiot" way. I've seen too many smart people that were at least on the fence about it. They may be buying misinformation but that doesn't mean that we can't work to change their mind again.

That's a different issue though. People can still be annoyed about this couple.

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#2779142 16-Sep-2021 09:36

Handsomedan:

I'd like to know why there hasn't also been as much outrage and naming and shaming of the other border breachers.

Is it simply because they're rich, entitled, "not like the rest of us"?

It feels like moral outrage mixed with tall poppy syndrome and a bit of jealousy thrown in.

The Whakatane beneficiary got taken into custody. There could be other reasons for that, but our erstwhile adventurers were not.

And frankly, I'm furious about it because I'm stuck at home with a sleep-regressing three month old, while also trying to navigate work and government hoops to help keep a business going. Popping down to Taupo for a weekend would be an absolute god-send in terms of my mental health right now.

So forgive me if I have no time for people who were born on the right side of the road who decided either that the rules didn't apply to them, or that they could easily afford to pick and choose which ones they followed and which ones they didn't, if they had the means available to cover the cost of getting caught.

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#2779267 16-Sep-2021 11:35

The travel of an Auckland cryptocurrency entrepreneur and his employee to Wānaka on a private jet is being reviewed by the Government and police.

A lawyer for the pair said the travel was for “legitimate business reasons” and his clients live in the Otago region.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300406612/govt-reviews-cryptocurrency-entrepreneurs-auckland-to-wnaka-lockdown-charter-flight

So someone had to deliver a briefcase full of newly minted bitcoins. (/s)

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