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#289583 14-Sep-2021 13:57
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What do you think about the Auckland couple who broke the anti-Covid rules?

 

They've apparently been granted interim name suppression. Is this fair?

 

 





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  #2778234 14-Sep-2021 14:00
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The real question is whether it will actually have any impact, 

 

As far as I can see the names are pretty much being thrown around with abandon on Reddit and FB....

 

if anyone wants to find them, they probably already know 


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  #2778238 14-Sep-2021 14:10
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You can find it if you want, but it doesn't make any difference if you know who they are.

 

Sadly people who break the suppression orders will probably get a larger punishment than those two will.


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  #2778240 14-Sep-2021 14:19
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Interim suppression may be fair then again it might not be. Until the details come out you never really know. On the balance I don't have problem with interim suppressi0on. Long term suppression in a case like this I think is not appropriate. It's part of the punishment. They were Dicks for breaking the lockdown rules like they did. They deserve to be properly punished and part of that punishment in my opinion is the embarrassment of having their names published.

 

The suppression lark in this case is a bit moot. I don't have Twitter, Facebook or Instagram accounts yet I know their names and who they are. Entitled gits is a term that comes to mind. One comment I read, totally unverified, it was his high public profile parent who dobbed him in.





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  #2778241 14-Sep-2021 14:19
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i read somewhere they had name suppression even though they weren't charged with anything

 

can you do that?





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  #2778242 14-Sep-2021 14:20
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Nate001:

 

You can find it if you want, but it doesn't make any difference if you know who they are.

 

 

 

 

I think this is quite a valid point. I don't know the names, and more than likely won't know the people, even if I did know the names - much like, I would suggest, the vast majority of NZ.

 

The people who I imagine they are trying to hide their names from - perspective employers, the old man's mates etc - they'll already know the who and the how. Suppression isn't hiding them from anyone in that respect. Any damage that could have been done, has already been done - long before the suppression order came into place.

 

Perhaps it has stopped their faces being plastered all over "Stuff" or other such gutter tabloids.

 

One thing I did hear discussed today at work was the difference having a bit of money can make. Old mate does a runner from MIQ - his mother dobs him in and apologises to the country. Two spoilt brats do a runner from Auckland, fraudulently using a document in the process (allegedly, of course), and the rich old man hires a QC to hide all their identities...


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  #2778244 14-Sep-2021 14:26
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As others have said, the horse has bolted with regards to name suppression. I think people are judging them so harshly due to the combination of privilege and how down right sneaky and clever they thought they were. Their first response to being outed was to hire a QC and finagle themselves an urgent night hearing for name suppression.

 

   








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  #2778246 14-Sep-2021 14:32
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gbwelly:

 

 Their first response to being outed was to hire a QC and finagle themselves an urgent night hearing for name suppression.

 

   

 

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I would expect to see a list of all the places of interest that the couple visited.

 

 





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  #2778250 14-Sep-2021 14:36
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Gordy7:

 

I would expect to see a list of all the places of interest that the couple visited.

 

 

Only if they subsequently test positive...

 

There are thousands who travel across the border each day,  They don't generate locations just on that fact


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I don't understand why there's no on-the-spot fine? like in Aus or anywhere in Europe. They still deciding if these 2 would be charged. why-the-hell?

 

They should have been given hefty fine in no-time!





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  #2778252 14-Sep-2021 14:37
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In general, name suppression is far too readily attainable by the rich, powerful, or well known in NZ. Having seen everything about the people in question prior to the suppression order coming into effect, in my opinion the son of the high ranking person appears to be the worst kind of entitled rich a$$hole you can imagine. I sincerely hope they throw the book at him but I'm cynical enough to expect the money and family connections will sweep it all under the carpet (at least legally). 





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  #2778253 14-Sep-2021 14:39
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kobiak:

 

They still deciding if these 2 would be charged. why-the-hell?

 

 

I suspect any hesitancy is due to the profession of said "high ranking official"





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  #2778254 14-Sep-2021 14:39
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There is some context and background behind it

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117058919/name-suppression-how-the-uniquely-kiwi-hush-hush-policy-became-law-and-morphed-over-a-century 

 

Put in for the right reasons. Often abused under the same claims (and thrown out in cases where defendants have been law people themselves)

 

This will be because it will cause hardship or damage to defendants. And potentially not give fair trail due to the entire country wishing to lynchmob them at the current time

 

Morally wrong? maybe. Legal. Perfectly.

 

Sigh. There's already base for above which won't help it and probably end in it being thrown out.

 

 

 

 

Yesterday afternoon, Reed asked the District Court to suppress the identities of her clients from publication and the identity of the man's parent, who is a high-ranking public official, before their first court appearance.

 

In support of her application, Reed also filed copies of social media posts and blogs.

 

 

 

She argued that although mainstream media might be expected to act responsibly and await the first court appearance, the same could not be said of bloggers and social media advocates.

 

 


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  #2778255 14-Sep-2021 14:41
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Sounddude:

 

gbwelly:

 

 Their first response to being outed was to hire a QC and finagle themselves an urgent night hearing for name suppression.

 

   

 

Justice is for the rich.

 

a

 

Yes, these people are likely from wealthy families given they have a holiday home that requires flights to visit. 

 

I liked the Finnish justice system where some penalties were set by net hurt..... if you are wealthy, a simple speeding ticket could cost over 100k NZD.

 

I believe they will escape lightly, first offense, guilty plea, no criminal history.  

 

This social media hysteria is over the top though.  Everyone is suddenly judge jury and executioner. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2778256 14-Sep-2021 14:47
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Lias:

 

kobiak:

 

They still deciding if these 2 would be charged. why-the-hell?

 

 

I suspect any hesitancy is due to the profession of said "high ranking official"

 

 

but how can you have name suppression if you are not charged with anything





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