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#2374121 12-Dec-2019 11:20

DarthKermit:

We have the technical ability to make cars and planes safer. We can't make volcanoes safer.

Safer, yes. Entirely safe? No. Not even when you eliminate the PEBCAK factor and have computers do the driving.

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#2374162 12-Dec-2019 12:11

Fred99:

People seem to be incapable of assessing risk / understanding relative risk. They'll ride a motorbike to the airport but worry about flight safety, feed their kids junk food 7 days a week - but put them in sun-proof clothing all day, worry themselves to death about being eaten by sharks, when you're millions of times more likely to be eaten by microbes, then if you do realise that, become a "dettol freak" or compulsive hand-washer despite pretty poor evidence that might save you, and some reasonably compelling evidence that it's doing harm.

Someone a lot wiser than me, once said about risk; "Life is a risky business, not many of us will get out of it alive."

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#2374187 12-Dec-2019 12:32

Interesting thing in NZH about a quick grab of bodies and the possibility of it making identification more difficult. Surely such thing can be done via dna, if not dental records.

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#2374189 12-Dec-2019 12:35

rb99:

Interesting thing in NZH about a quick grab of bodies and the possibility of it making identification more difficult. Surely such thing can be done via dna, if not dental records.

How much is left of those that were close to the crater though?!

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#2374191 12-Dec-2019 12:36

Not sure if I want to know, but the longer it takes...

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#2374192 12-Dec-2019 12:38

https://www.abc.net.au/news/

"Breaking news

The NSW Government says 10 NSW residents who were injured in the NZ volcano disaster are being flown to Sydney to receive critical care. Three arrived at Concord Hospital overnight, and one was taken to Royal North Shore Hospital."

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#2374238 12-Dec-2019 13:45

I for one don't quite grasp the need to get bodies from places that are dangerous.

For example, nobody recovers bodies from sunken ships where the depth is a prohibiting factor. There are unrecovered bodies on battlefields all over Europe dating from 5000+ years ago onwards that periodically get found and moved but are not looked for deliberately very often.

It seems odd to me to risk more lives and spend large sums of money. I certainly would not want anyone doing that just to get my mortal remains from somewhere.

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#2374248 12-Dec-2019 14:01

Geonet latest. The graph showing volcanic tremor is quite telling. Currently it's way above the eruptive peak from the first blast.

https://www.geonet.org.nz/news/60xDrUB7wRZPZXyBa8xYwE

Also this statement:

"The Volcanic Alert Level is not linked directly to risk and likelihoods but describes the level of current volcanic activity."

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#2374249 12-Dec-2019 14:12

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405353/whakaari-white-island-eruption-tourists-share-video-of-eruption

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#2374281 12-Dec-2019 15:08

Rikkitic:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405353/whakaari-white-island-eruption-tourists-share-video-of-eruption

The video mirrors my memory of our visit six years ago. We visited Whakaari on a very similar day; deep blue sky, choppy blue ocean, an otherworldly feel when you step onto the volcano.

But since seeing it I can't seem to shake the image of ash-covered tourists gathered on the end of the wharf, knowing some have now died, with many others now facing a lifetime of rehabilitation/recovery/coping. To be honest, I wish I hadn't seen it.

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#2374421 12-Dec-2019 20:04

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tdgeek:

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tdgeek:

IMHO nothing has changed at all. 30 years of visits, nothing has changed.

Did they used to take such large tours with ~50 people on the island at one time?

How does that matter? Alert 1 is acceptable, Alert 2 is acceptable, or its not. That applies to 47 people or 4 people, or 1 person.

You're exposing many more people to risk - and stretching the resources of any possible rescue operation.

You seem to have missed the part where with White Island, it can erupt at any time from any alert level. FWIW, they've dropped the level now from 3 to 2, but the risk of an eruption hasn't diminished, it's just not currently erupting (level 3).

I haven't missed any points. We all know it can erupt at any time. If 47 is too may people to risk, 3 or 4 are? My point still stands. Is your point that it should always have been shut down, or that it should be limited to just a few people each visit?

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#2374423 12-Dec-2019 20:11

Geektastic:

I for one don't quite grasp the need to get bodies from places that are dangerous.

For example, nobody recovers bodies from sunken ships where the depth is a prohibiting factor. There are unrecovered bodies on battlefields all over Europe dating from 5000+ years ago onwards that periodically get found and moved but are not looked for deliberately very often.

It seems odd to me to risk more lives and spend large sums of money. I certainly would not want anyone doing that just to get my mortal remains from somewhere.

If the authorities dont go in, they are bad. Look at Pike River. If anyone lost their life going in, there is the opposite argument.I can't comment if I was an affected family member, but I feel I would go by what was advised by the authorities. But easy to say. Ive not been in that situation.

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#2374438 12-Dec-2019 21:18

DarthKermit:

We have the technical ability to make cars and planes safer. We can't make volcanoes safer.

Of course we can. We can avoid the danger of volcanoes by not getting close to them. They’re totally safe if you’re nowhere near them.

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#2374444 12-Dec-2019 21:26

eracode:

DarthKermit:

We have the technical ability to make cars and planes safer. We can't make volcanoes safer.

Of course we can. We can avoid the danger of volcanoes by not getting close to them. They’re totally safe if you’re nowhere near them.

So based on that Aucklanders should all evacuate???

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#2374469 12-Dec-2019 22:29

eracode:

DarthKermit:

We have the technical ability to make cars and planes safer. We can't make volcanoes safer.

Of course we can. We can avoid the danger of volcanoes by not getting close to them. They’re totally safe if you’re nowhere near them.

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