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#3106336 20-Jul-2023 16:58

Stuff News on the Police press conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZp5XEn5wj0

No firearm license.
On home detention but exempt to go to work.
History of family violence, subject to search of his property in past.
Seems part of his home detention for family violence the property was searched, and no firearm there then.
Rampage was at his work site where he moved through site firing his weapon. (Seeming to target only his worksite)

Key part of investigation will be from where he acquired the shotgun, illegally.

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#3106387 20-Jul-2023 19:40

MikeAqua: Strangulation is something quite specific, where as impeding breathing is a broader term. If you sat on my chest, you would likely impede my breathing, but you wouldn't be strangling me.

The article has been updated with additional information describing the offense leading to the conviction for "impeding breathing":

Stuff: While she was on the bed, he stood over her and used both his hands and gripped and squeezed her throat for 10 seconds. “That is not a short period of time when someone is being strangled, Mr Reid… it would have been a terrifying event for her,” Judge Bonnar said.

My question remains. Why was the offender not charged with the offense of strangulation which carries a maximum seven year period of imprisonment?

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#3106405 20-Jul-2023 21:22

ezbee:

Key part of investigation will be from where he acquired the shotgun, illegally.

not really a key factor. odds are it will be obtained the same way most other crims get theirs. stolen at some point.

of course that hasn't stopped the media doing it usual scaremongering and gun reform nonsense.

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#3106410 20-Jul-2023 21:47

Criminals don't follow laws, if he obtained the gun legally or illegally its irreverent.

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#3106852 22-Jul-2023 10:04

NZ Herald has updated it's reporting to clarify the offender was convicted of the strangulation offense. It appears impeding breathing is part of that. I don't exactly understand the relationship between that and the previously reported "Impeding breathing". I'll take their word for it, and there is clearly a relationship defined in legislation. Anyway, I'm glad to hear it is in effect.

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#3107012 22-Jul-2023 17:40

The attack he was on bail for was a lot more serious.
Looks like a sustained vicious attack that resulted in...
Reid’s victim suffered a broken bone in her neck, a black and swollen eye, bruising to her face, extensive abrasions, and was hospitalised. She suffered ongoing psychological harm.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132588344/how-generational-anger-led-to-chaos-in-down-town-auckland

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He pushed her off a chair into a wall and dressing table; threw an object that struck her in the head; then kicked her in the stomach so hard she flew backwards onto a bed.
Then he stood over her, grabbed her throat with both hands, and strangled her for 10 seconds so she couldn’t breathe, then continued to punch and slap her in the face.
When Reid eventually stopped, he warned his victim, “You don’t know what I’m capable of.”
He then attacked her with a pair of scissors, and swung a wine bottle at her, but missed.
The woman escaped and called the police, but when she returned to her room, Reid had attempted to set fire to it.
""

I am a bit disturbed this has been minimized to just a 10sec incident, that is serious enough on its own.

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#3107021 22-Jul-2023 18:05

ezbee: I am a bit disturbed this has been minimized to just a 10sec incident,

I wasn't aware it had been minimised by anyone.

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#3107022 22-Jul-2023 18:10

Wombat1: Criminals don't follow laws, if he obtained the gun legally or illegally its irreverent.

It is relevant. If the offender did not himself first hand obtain the firearm and/or ammunition then it is possible an offense was committed in supplying it to the offender.

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#3107036 22-Jul-2023 19:03

The Washington Post 21 July 2023

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#3107100 22-Jul-2023 20:46

Sideface:

The Washington Post 21 July 2023

You know things have got bad when we start comparing our crime to the USA. Quiet frankly I don’t give a toss how the USA reports their crime.

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#3107105 22-Jul-2023 21:07

gzt:
Wombat1: Criminals don't follow laws, if he obtained the gun legally or illegally its irreverent.

It is relevant. If the offender did not himself first hand obtain the firearm and/or ammunition then it is possible an offense was committed in supplying it to the offender.

quite right, its relevant and i'm sure police will track it down and maybe they find a straw buyer, but its not a key factor.

but this, like many others before it, will be forgotten by next week and people will go back to their illusion of safety.

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#3107108 22-Jul-2023 21:18

gzt:

My question remains. Why was the offender not charged with the offense of strangulation which carries a maximum seven year period of imprisonment?

Because …. background profiling and resulting sentencing discounts

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#3107110 22-Jul-2023 21:21

Yeah nah that was my misconception. He was convicted for strangulation apparently. I think the victim desire to see him avoid prison was a factor in that home detention sentence.

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#3107113 22-Jul-2023 21:33

You know what I find quiet sickening about all this, is the reporting on stuff. I am blown away that an article can be put up like this:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132588344/how-generational-anger-led-to-chaos-in-down-town-auckland

How 'generational anger' led to chaos in down town Auckland!! Really? chaos in Auckland? Chaos? The article goes on to talk about this murderers troubled life, painting the picture that he is somewhat a victim? At least this is the opinion I drew up when reading the article. Nothing about the 3 victims. It makes me angry reading this style of reporting, and I am left wondering if this is not part of the bigger problems at the moment. Sorry I read the article. What disrespect to the families of those poor victims. Shame on you stuff. Let me just leave it there.

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#3107115 22-Jul-2023 21:50

Wombat1:

You know what I find quiet sickening about all this, is the reporting on stuff. I am blown away that an article can be put up like this:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132588344/how-generational-anger-led-to-chaos-in-down-town-auckland

How 'generational anger' led to chaos in down town Auckland!! Really? chaos in Auckland? Chaos? The article goes on to talk about this murderers troubled life, painting the picture that he is somewhat a victim? At least this is the opinion I drew up when reading the article. Nothing about the 3 victims. It makes me angry reading this style of reporting, and I am left wondering if this is not part of the bigger problems at the moment. Sorry I read the article. What disrespect to the families of those poor victims. Shame on you stuff. Let me just leave it there.

Exactly. Well-put. Par for the course in Woke NZ.

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