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#581839 15-Feb-2012 14:00

timestyles: Vaguely in keeping with the subject, here's a story I can't take my eyes away from.

Has all the appearances of the usual smoke and mirror 'free energy' investment with private investors continuing to put money in behind the scenes with the basis of unverified claims and very aggressive public assertions from the inventor. But it will be interesting to see how it develops..

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#581917 15-Feb-2012 16:01

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/mandatory-location-and-power-services-voip-111-calls-suggested-aw-109505

There is a lot of cool things proposed in here but what it ultimately comes down to at the end of the day is that they want to track end-users. with gps. They do mention there are a number of problems but I assume they will most likely go ahead with it anyway.

Quoting a commenter: "Gps can pin point the location of a phone - great then what? How does that information get sent to the help centre? Gps can take up to several minutes to get a fix - its no good in a built up city or car park. Gps drains so much power that most people have it turned off. Gps will not work. I wonder how much the govt will waste to come to the same conclusion?"

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#581979 15-Feb-2012 17:52

timestyles:
99% of the physics community don't believe him. Why is he promoting his yet to be sold product? It's not a scam because he hasn't sold anything yet. He may be deluding himself, and the effect isn't real. Maybe his calculations are out by a factor of 10, and a decimal point is in the wrong place.

Just a guess here, but often these jokers are on the hunt for "investors."

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#582075 15-Feb-2012 21:38

BurningBeard:
timestyles:
99% of the physics community don't believe him. Why is he promoting his yet to be sold product? It's not a scam because he hasn't sold anything yet. He may be deluding himself, and the effect isn't real. Maybe his calculations are out by a factor of 10, and a decimal point is in the wrong place.

Just a guess here, but often these jokers are on the hunt for "investors."

Actually, I never thought of that. You're right, this is probably the most likely scenario. It reminds me of that guy in Nelson who said that he's created a new file compression scheme and scammed investors of a few million (admittedly, none of said investors did any research before paying their money). I wonder when he gets out of prison.

But then, you've got the other company in Greece (Defkalion) who say that the have the same idea technology. They may both be after "investors". I guess it's a waiting game.

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#582085 15-Feb-2012 22:06

Now how odd does that seem...
The words 'Greece' and 'looking for investors', used in the same sentence.
Who'd have thought it??

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#582113 15-Feb-2012 23:15

BurningBeard:
timestyles:
99% of the physics community don't believe him. Why is he promoting his yet to be sold product? It's not a scam because he hasn't sold anything yet. He may be deluding himself, and the effect isn't real. Maybe his calculations are out by a factor of 10, and a decimal point is in the wrong place.

Just a guess here, but often these jokers are on the hunt for "investors."

If only I hadn't already sunk my life savings into Eestor, I could have made a fortune!

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#583121 18-Feb-2012 11:02

timestyles: Vaguely in keeping with the subject, here's a story I can't take my eyes away from.

Italian guy says that he has discovered a way to transmutate Nickel to Copper. At room temperature, using a chemical cocktail that at the moment is secret. This guy has been prosecuted for various documented crimes in the past. The transmutation results in the generation of heat, which is the big deal here. He's saying that you will be able to buy a heat generator that is portable, cheap and you can have low cost heat soon, maybe this year.

99% of the physics community don't believe him. Why is he promoting his yet to be sold product? It's not a scam because he hasn't sold anything yet. He may be deluding himself, and the effect isn't real. Maybe his calculations are out by a factor of 10, and a decimal point is in the wrong place...

How timely, this article showed up in my facebook newsfeed.

"The only reason for Rossi e-CAT to refuse such a test is the knowledge that it will reveal fraud in their alleged over-unity system. If they do not agree to this reasonable verification, investors should become alarmed."

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#586521 25-Feb-2012 00:59

Adverse health effects, including dental and skeletal fluorosis, are associated with excess fluoride in drinking-water.

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At the Chemical Aspects Working Group meeting (Tokyo, 2002), the group was informed that the monograph was being finalized, and there was considerable discussion on various aspects of the draft, including a suggestion that the monograph should not mix discussion on the beneficial use of fluoride with adverse health effects to prevent controversy. The monograph was not discussed at the Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality Working Group meeting (Geneva, 2004).

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/gdwqrevision/fluoridemangt/en/

You guys still in denial?

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#586536 25-Feb-2012 08:29

codyc1515: Adverse health effects, including dental and skeletal fluorosis, are associated with excess fluoride in drinking-water.

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At the Chemical Aspects Working Group meeting (Tokyo, 2002), the group was informed that the monograph was being finalized, and there was considerable discussion on various aspects of the draft, including a suggestion that the monograph should not mix discussion on the beneficial use of fluoride with adverse health effects to prevent controversy. The monograph was not discussed at the Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality Working Group meeting (Geneva, 2004).

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/gdwqrevision/fluoridemangt/en/

You guys still in denial?

While I am not convinced that fluoride should be added to drinking water, I don't think there is anything controversial in the above link. They just decided not to include discussion of excessive use of fluoride in that document. I don't think they were referring to adverse effects at the dosages they consider beneficial.

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#586551 25-Feb-2012 09:18

Skolink: including a suggestion that the monograph should not mix discussion on the beneficial use of fluoride with adverse health effects to prevent controversy. The monograph was not discussed

Does this mean they're deliberately poisoning people? No. It means they chose not to discuss the adverse effects while talking about the benefits too. Nothing more. I don't blame 'em either - the way conspiracy nuts run away with this info and work their paranoid magic on it. Cherry-picking a quote that doesn't sit right with you isn't exactly smoking-gun evidence.

That little quote isn't proof of anything.

Besides, where are the millions of people coming down with dental and skeletal fluorosis?

It's also worth noting that the fluoridation process sometimes involves de-fluoridation of the water to get it to a safe level.

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#586736 25-Feb-2012 18:04

Surely forcing people to consume Fluoride by placing it in the water supply would violate peoples rights under the Bill of Rights Act 1990. To quote it: "Right to refuse to undergo medical treatment" ... "Everyone has the right to refuse to undergo any medical treatment."

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#586738 25-Feb-2012 18:06

Also how could Occupy Protestors be evicted when the Bill of Rights say "Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly." and "Everyone has the right to freedom of association."?

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#586801 25-Feb-2012 21:19

codyc1515: Also how could Occupy Protestors be evicted when the Bill of Rights say "Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly." and "Everyone has the right to freedom of association."?

I guess it depends on if you consider 'assembly' to include setting up camp.

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#586802 25-Feb-2012 21:21

Skolink:
codyc1515: Also how could Occupy Protestors be evicted when the Bill of Rights say "Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly." and "Everyone has the right to freedom of association."?

I guess it depends on if you consider 'assembly' to include setting up camp.

They assembled a tent there.

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#586807 25-Feb-2012 21:31

codyc1515:
Skolink:
codyc1515: Also how could Occupy Protestors be evicted when the Bill of Rights say "Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly." and "Everyone has the right to freedom of association."?

I guess it depends on if you consider 'assembly' to include setting up camp.

They assembled a tent there.

Heh, I could peacefully assemble a bomb.

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