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#2778313 14-Sep-2021 16:10

afe66: Name suppression of the parent is reasonable as the son is 35 yes old...

But the people themselves should be named once court case settled is my 2 cents even if convicted and discharged.

If it was my son, I would've got out ahead of the name suppression and said "My son is an adult. If he's a dick, then that's on him, not me."

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#2778321 14-Sep-2021 16:24

tdgeek:

Interim suppression is fair. When and if they are charged, then then don't deserve any suppression, as its now a fact. If I was arrested for robbing a bank but it wasn't me, I'd want suppression

What's the difference between an arrest and a charge? It's an allegation, nothing is proven.

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#2778327 14-Sep-2021 16:37

And in the latest episode..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/alleged-wanaka-covid-19-breachers-remorseful-about-bad-decision-says-friend/ZSCJA2G2GAVVHDJE5VW4SGXUP4/

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#2778330 14-Sep-2021 16:44

Good advice from Patrick Smellie: https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/opinion/free-advice-for-the-wanaka-wanderers?fbclid=IwAR0MBID6zI2A-0o5T_DD8KZChcBRxL9P5lX0YN-lY_bRe_D9PpkMpbf-kBg

He's being generous to suggest that Auckland's sympathy towards them would be merely "in short supply" though. More like "Cheerfully rip your arm off and beat you to death with the wet end".

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#2778335 14-Sep-2021 16:52

Oblivian:

And in the latest episode..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/alleged-wanaka-covid-19-breachers-remorseful-about-bad-decision-says-friend/ZSCJA2G2GAVVHDJE5VW4SGXUP4/

Remorseful because he was caught! The spin has started.

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#2778336 14-Sep-2021 16:52

Oblivian:

And in the latest episode..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/alleged-wanaka-covid-19-breachers-remorseful-about-bad-decision-says-friend/ZSCJA2G2GAVVHDJE5VW4SGXUP4/

"The couple accused of flouting Covid-19 laws by fleeing Auckland for a family holiday home in a South Island resort town are said to be "remorseful" and know there will be consequences for their "bad decision".

But a friend says the vitriol they are facing - and death threats - as a result of their alleged breach of national Covid-19 rules are out of order and affecting them deeply."

Then they need to drop the suppression and publicly front this.. The online rage exists partially because they are getting a QC to hide their identities, and the longer the suppression continues the more social media $hit will flow their way..

The way to confront this is by owning it and agreeing to accept any charges that may be coming their way.. and they will find the story will blow over in a day or two... by playing lawyer games you just draw it out...

Edit: They are living breathing examples of the Streisand Effect,

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#2778339 14-Sep-2021 17:03

geekIT:

does son own a boxer dog that mother sometimes walks?

Yes that would be the one.

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#2778362 14-Sep-2021 17:52

Handle9:

tdgeek:

Interim suppression is fair. When and if they are charged, then then don't deserve any suppression, as its now a fact. If I was arrested for robbing a bank but it wasn't me, I'd want suppression

What's the difference between an arrest and a charge? It's an allegation, nothing is proven.

Im not a lawyer or a prosecutor. Either way, its not proven or a fact. But yes, charged is not a fact, my bad. Should have said convicted.

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#2778363 14-Sep-2021 17:53

Oblivian:

And in the latest episode..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/alleged-wanaka-covid-19-breachers-remorseful-about-bad-decision-says-friend/ZSCJA2G2GAVVHDJE5VW4SGXUP4/

Not sure if this "friend" is making it better or worse... The entitlement to say "oh but we didn't think of the consequences".

I guess depending on where your moral compass lays it might not appear wrong until someone sensible reminds you.

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#2778365 14-Sep-2021 17:55

Oblivian:

And in the latest episode..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/alleged-wanaka-covid-19-breachers-remorseful-about-bad-decision-says-friend/ZSCJA2G2GAVVHDJE5VW4SGXUP4/

Here we go. Im famous, Im a sportsman, Im mysoginistic, I'm a racist, but I can fall back on "I made a terrible mistake, I will learn from this"

The usual PR response.

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#2778366 14-Sep-2021 17:57

cshwone:

Remorseful because he was caught! The spin has started.

Yep, as per everyone else. Get the keynotes, "mistake", "remorseful" "I will learn from this"

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#2778367 14-Sep-2021 18:04

wellygary:

Edit: They are living breathing examples of the Streisand Effect,

I agree fully, BUT, until they are convicted, i.e, proven (thanks @Handle9) its speculation. Yes, we all know the "facts" but its important to give them the innocent till proven guilty first. Then, the daggers can come out. Otherwise, it may as well be the medieval times. Its 2021 not 1421

I agree with the general sentiments, but you need to take account of the Rule of Law. As posted earlier, if I was arrested with robbing a bank, and I was innocent, I would want suppression, for obvious reasons.

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#2778375 14-Sep-2021 18:11

I don't get people's outrage here. I agree they did something very wrong, I think they should have the book thrown at them, but instead of getting pissy at people for applying for name suppression, get pissy at lawmakers who allow it. A long as people have had more money than others, there has been equality. So long as the judge doesn't treat them any differently than they would any other citizen, then I'm fine. There will be guidelines on the punishment, assuming those are followed, people shouldn't complain.

It's just another form of outrage at big companies that pay little to no tax. So long as they are operating under the letter of the law, the only people that should be getting negative attention are those who decided the laws as they stand now, are what they should be.

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#2778378 14-Sep-2021 18:13

tdgeek:

Here we go. Im famous, Im a sportsman, Im mysoginistic, I'm a racist, but I can fall back on "I made a terrible mistake, I will learn from this"

The usual PR response.

What could they say that would satisfy you? Ultimately, regardless of whether it's true or not, you'd pretty much expect the same phrases.

Some people are dicks and never learn, others learn from their mistakes. Both would likely say the same thing. You can't tar people with a brush without knowledge of the longer-term outcome.

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#2778382 14-Sep-2021 18:17

afe66: Name suppression of the parent is reasonable as the son is 35 yes old...

How long do you think it takes people to see said sons name and figure out who his parents are?

Not much point in suppressing one without the other.

So long as the person who (if they did indeed commit said offense) is punished within the guidelines of the law, that should be the end of it.

This whole trial by social media thing is silly.

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