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#567829 12-Jan-2012 11:59

Some 26 odd years ago I became very ill and ended up being Wheelchair dependent and on an Invalids Benefit. I retrained myself got off mt butt and changed career direction into IT. I found myself employment where I worked successfully for 23 years. Recently my condition flared and I was again wheelchair bound, as we had saved money, cleared our mortgage etc we decided I should retire on medical grounds and concentrate on getting well. I am on no Benefits and way too young for a pension, some 11 years to wait for that. We are self supporting. So the system works for those whose chose to let and not surrender.

Good on you, really. But people are different, some are not as strong as you are...good example though...

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#567886 12-Jan-2012 13:14

KissySellOut: Honestly, am I the only pro Occupy person here?? KissySellOut

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#568304 13-Jan-2012 10:58

Oh my gosh, I know being unemployed isn't a career choice! That is a complete contradiction in terms and makes no sense. I've heard it is easier to find work here so maybe that correlates the level of unemployment (and average duration) to how much one would recieve. Whatever, I still don't think it's enough to get by on for like a couple of months of how ever long it takes to find a job here.

Please do let me know, what would be these implied disasterous outcomes for charging lower rates on loans and mortgages? The way it's been happening in recent years has led to a perfectly dire state of affairs. Bank owners thinking they have so much coming in, buying new chains over, then going broke and being bailed out by tax payers because the rates they charge just can't be paid by a lot of people. The bank doesn't own the money for such things as morgages, it's numbers on a screen until the government comes up with it, prints and pays it out. If not a long term solution it might help in the near future... Inflation surely can not keep on going upwards with only the occasional dip that has a heavy impact on home owners looking to sell etc.

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PS Glad I'm not the only one :)

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#568322 13-Jan-2012 11:51

KissySellOut: Oh my gosh, I know being unemployed isn't a career choice! That is a complete contradiction in terms and makes no sense. I've heard it is easier to find work here so maybe that correlates the level of unemployment (and average duration) to how much one would recieve. Whatever, I still don't think it's enough to get by on for like a couple of months of how ever long it takes to find a job here.

Please do let me know, what would be these implied disasterous outcomes for charging lower rates on loans and mortgages? The way it's been happening in recent years has led to a perfectly dire state of affairs. Bank owners thinking they have so much coming in, buying new chains over, then going broke and being bailed out by tax payers because the rates they charge just can't be paid by a lot of people. The bank doesn't own the money for such things as morgages, it's numbers on a screen until the government comes up with it, prints and pays it out. If not a long term solution it might help in the near future... Inflation surely can not keep on going upwards with only the occasional dip that has a heavy impact on home owners looking to sell etc.

KissySellOut

PS Glad I'm not the only one :)

With respect this post is meaning less. Our inflation rate is more or less what it was in 2000 and half what it was in 1990. I also do not recall the Government "bailing out" any of the Banks. A couple of Finance companies yes and a back stop for AMI to cover Christchurch quake claims.

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#568325 13-Jan-2012 12:01

@KiwiNZ You haven't been paying much attention world wide then, nah? In the UK Northern Rock was the first major bank to go completely bankrupt. The RBS needed a millions to bail them out after they bought over NatWest as it was failing rapidly. People freaked out and some of them withdrew savings leaving the banks in a tighter spot but you know how it works I presume... Tax payers money bailed out a whole lotta cash for those who were in serious debt otherwise even more people would have lost their savings. Greece has recently almost been kicked out of the EU for it's huge debt but it was voted that they'd stay and other EU countries would try to help. A lot of bail out money has been shifting from government to banks, and from country to country on loan. I'm pretty sure I mentioned some thing along those lines before.

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#568342 13-Jan-2012 12:25

KissySellOut: @KiwiNZ You haven't been paying much attention world wide then, nah? In the UK Northern Rock was the first major bank to go completely bankrupt. The RBS needed a millions to bail them out after they bought over NatWest as it was failing rapidly. People freaked out and some of them withdrew savings leaving the banks in a tighter spot but you know how it works I presume... Tax payers money bailed out a whole lotta cash for those who were in serious debt otherwise even more people would have lost their savings. Greece has recently almost been kicked out of the EU for it's huge debt but it was voted that they'd stay and other EU countries would try to help. A lot of bail out money has been shifting from government to banks, and from country to country on loan. I'm pretty sure I mentioned some thing along those lines before.

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What has that to do with the New Zealand Government, the New Zealand Banks, the New Zealand inflation rate, the New Zealand unemployment rates?

Granted the fiscal issues Europe the USA is experiencing has some flow on effects for the New Zealand economy but it is no where near the doom and gloom merchants are selling and the imagination of the Occupy whatever crowd.

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#568346 13-Jan-2012 12:33

@KiziNZ Okay, firstly it's a worldwide movement with camps across the globe in major cities.
Secondly I have just come from the UK and I definetly hope that same thing doesn't happen here.
Thirdly the campaigners here want the results to take affect all over NZ and the world not just Auckland.
Does that answer your question?

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#568347 13-Jan-2012 12:36

"I also do not recall the Government "bailing out" any of the Banks." You mentioned that, KiwiNZ and though it may hold true in this country for now, there's a different story in other places.

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#568349 13-Jan-2012 12:40

KissySellOut: Oh my gosh, I know being unemployed isn't a career choice! That is a complete contradiction in terms and makes no sense. I've heard it is easier to find work here so maybe that correlates the level of unemployment (and average duration) to how much one would recieve. Whatever, I still don't think it's enough to get by on for like a couple of months of how ever long it takes to find a job here.

Some people, usually single and no kids, make a very good career from being unemployed, and survive quite well on the benefit. Just that their expectations are different, possibly lower that those that are employed. They stil ltravel, though it takes a while to save :-)

On the flip side however, once employed and then unemployed, the benefit is not sufficient to maintain that standard of living that you have come accustomed to when you were employed, nor is it meant to. You can't live a champagne lifestyle on a beer income. Loss of paid employment means a rapid reassesment of lifestyle. You have to scale down. No more sirloin steak and sky tv. Sausages, mince, spuds and rice, enjoyed while watching FTA TV ! Broadband Internet ? Bah - go dial-up !!! Move in with family for a wee while. The benefit is there to stop you becoming destitute, nothing more.

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#568351 13-Jan-2012 12:41

KissySellOut: @KiziNZ Okay, firstly it's a worldwide movement with camps across the globe in major cities.
Secondly I have just come from the UK and I definetly hope that same thing doesn't happen here.
Thirdly the campaigners here want the results to take affect all over NZ and the world not just Auckland.
Does that answer your question?

KissySellOut

So they want to spread laying around unwashed, littering public places drawing tax payer subsidies and pontificating nonsense all over New Zealand and the Globe. Don't hold your breath. They are not the 99% they have their math wrong, they are the 0.099%.

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#568365 13-Jan-2012 13:04

KissySellOut: firstly it's a worldwide movement with camps across the globe in major cities...

...Does that answer your question? KissySellOut

You don't appear to have answered any questions.

From what I can see, "Occupy" is not a worldwide movement, it's an American (New York) protest which has been replicated in varying forms in a number of different cities in the US as well as cities in a few other "western" countries. For it to be a "worldwide movement" you would have to have communications and coordination between the different chapters, which would suggest governance and leadership, both of which are denied as elements of this platform.

Due to the vast myriad of statements and banners, my perception of occupy is that it protests everything and stands for nothing. What am I supposed to make out through all this fog occupy throws up?

Just for starters:
- Can occupy clearly enunciate what it believes the problem(s) to be?
- Does occupy have any realistic and viable solutions to these problems?
- What is the occupy agenda?
- What does occupy actually want to happen?
- How would the outcomes occupy wants be achieved?
- Does occupy have an official spokesperson who can answer questions such as these?

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#568402 13-Jan-2012 14:04

Dratsab:
KissySellOut: firstly it's a worldwide movement with camps across the globe in major cities...

...Does that answer your question? KissySellOut

You don't appear to have answered any questions.

From what I can see, "Occupy" is not a worldwide movement, it's an American (New York) protest which has been replicated in varying forms in a number of different cities in the US as well as cities in a few other "western" countries. For it to be a "worldwide movement" you would have to have communications and coordination between the different chapters, which would suggest governance and leadership, both of which are denied as elements of this platform.

Due to the vast myriad of statements and banners, my perception of occupy is that it protests everything and stands for nothing. What am I supposed to make out through all this fog occupy throws up?

Just for starters:
- Can occupy clearly enunciate what it believes the problem(s) to be?
- Does occupy have any realistic and viable solutions to these problems?
- What is the occupy agenda?
- What does occupy actually want to happen?
- How would the outcomes occupy wants be achieved?
- Does occupy have an official spokesperson who can answer questions such as these?

You may find some info on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement and http://www.occupytogether.org/actions/

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#568417 13-Jan-2012 14:41

So they want to spread laying around unwashed, littering public places drawing tax payer subsidies and pontificating nonsense all over New Zealand and the Globe. Don't hold your breath. They are not the 99% they have their math wrong, they are the 0.099%.

So you want to see some 'neat', famous and rich people supporting the movement? Here you go..

...and view the link here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/top-ten-richest-celebrities-supporting-occupy-wall-street/

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#568420 13-Jan-2012 14:47

listudio:

So they want to spread laying around unwashed, littering public places drawing tax payer subsidies and pontificating nonsense all over New Zealand and the Globe. Don't hold your breath. They are not the 99% they have their math wrong, they are the 0.099%.

So you want to see some 'neat', famous and rich people supporting the movement? Here you go..

...and view the link here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/top-ten-richest-celebrities-supporting-occupy-wall-street/

Because if Miley Cyrus says something, people should listen?

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#568425 13-Jan-2012 14:51

listudio:

So they want to spread laying around unwashed, littering public places drawing tax payer subsidies and pontificating nonsense all over New Zealand and the Globe. Don't hold your breath. They are not the 99% they have their math wrong, they are the 0.099%.

So you want to see some 'neat', famous and rich people supporting the movement? Here you go..

...and view the link here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/top-ten-richest-celebrities-supporting-occupy-wall-street/

A singer/actor

Now if it were a Phd and Economist, Nobel prize winner it may add some credence to the cause, but no an singer/actor probably knows squat and it's just a publicity spin organised by their managers.

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