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#1181226 22-Nov-2014 12:29

The problem with the hold system is that they would still need to print the receipt at the pump. Then people would ask why no pay at pump and they would have to explain that.

I would be happy with registering my aa fuel or whatever card to my car rego and using that to unlock the pump if the car rego on cctv matches my card or something. I don't mind going in once. And certainly better than the annoying z pay at pump system.

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#1181232 22-Nov-2014 12:58

I have seen systems overseas where they have TV monitors in the pump head that actually show your car rego and you filling the car.

Psychologically, it demonstrates to those of deviant disposition that they stand a pretty good chance of getting caught and convicted.

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#1181235 22-Nov-2014 13:10

Geektastic: I have seen systems overseas where they have TV monitors in the pump head that actually show your car rego and you filling the car.

Psychologically, it demonstrates to those of deviant disposition that they stand a pretty good chance of getting caught and convicted.

I like it.

It's interesting the clause in the contract that is being used to justify docking the wages:

"Many of the problems seem to come down to section 8.1 of [Night n' Day employee] contracts which refers to deductions for cost related to dishonesty", says Mr Allison.

He describes how there may be confusion for some franchisee owners surrounding this dishonesty section.

"Our intention around that dishonesty section is really to say if a staff member stole from us directly, then the franchisee has the right to get that money back," says Mr Allison. "Now that doesn't clearly state staff dishonesty, it just says dishonesty."

It doesn't sound like confusion and more like taking advantage, I hope a few franchise owners get financially penalised. Apparently wage records need to be kept for 6 years so it would be interesting to go back and see exactly how money they've obtained using this practice.

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#1181237 22-Nov-2014 13:20

There are also plenty of NPR systems (number plate recognition) that could read and record the plates, times and dates of arrival and exit for every vehicle coming onto the forecourt.

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#1181239 22-Nov-2014 13:21

I just don't understand why fuel companies don't setup some automated payment system, that scans peoples plate when parked, or a qr code on the windscreen, and then links it to an account, and it can either debit a bank account, or credit card. Those who aren't on the system, have to prepay. The otherway could be to have it gated. If they employed more staff, then it would also probably solve the problem. These days you have just one or two, but in the old days there was a whole team.

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#1181242 22-Nov-2014 13:43

Geektastic: There are also plenty of NPR systems (number plate recognition) that could read and record the plates, times and dates of arrival and exit for every vehicle coming onto the forecourt.

That only works if the plates belong to the car. Plates are often taken from same brand similar model donor cars. The camera wouldn't record enough info to show the plate and car didn't match.

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#1181243 22-Nov-2014 13:53

Bung:
Geektastic: There are also plenty of NPR systems (number plate recognition) that could read and record the plates, times and dates of arrival and exit for every vehicle coming onto the forecourt.

That only works if the plates belong to the car. Plates are often taken from same brand similar model donor cars. The camera wouldn't record enough info to show the plate and car didn't match.

They could still have a pin as a second level of defense. At the end of the day it can be solved if enough money is thrown at it.

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#1181259 22-Nov-2014 14:11

mattwnz:
Bung:
Geektastic: There are also plenty of NPR systems (number plate recognition) that could read and record the plates, times and dates of arrival and exit for every vehicle coming onto the forecourt.

That only works if the plates belong to the car. Plates are often taken from same brand similar model donor cars. The camera wouldn't record enough info to show the plate and car didn't match.

They could still have a pin as a second level of defense. At the end of the day it can be solved if enough money is thrown at it.

Hahaha yah because retail petrol sales is such a profitable business.

What a lot of people seem to mix up is petrol stations and petrol companies. Not many really rich station owners.

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#1181262 22-Nov-2014 14:28

networkn:
mattwnz:
Bung:
Geektastic: There are also plenty of NPR systems (number plate recognition) that could read and record the plates, times and dates of arrival and exit for every vehicle coming onto the forecourt.

That only works if the plates belong to the car. Plates are often taken from same brand similar model donor cars. The camera wouldn't record enough info to show the plate and car didn't match.

They could still have a pin as a second level of defense. At the end of the day it can be solved if enough money is thrown at it.

Hahaha yah because retail petrol sales is such a profitable business.

What a lot of people seem to mix up is petrol stations and petrol companies. Not many really rich station owners.

Depends on the petrol station, as to whether it is a franchise one, or one owned and operated by the fuel company. But when there is a 20 cent difference in fuel, in two close areas, depending on wether there is a low cost operateor in the area, some are making good margins. But they make a good amount of money from the addons and other things they sell, which are sold for very high margins. Some are essentially dairies.

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#1181286 22-Nov-2014 15:06

At the end of the day, it's likely that somewhere in the world the problem has been solved.

If people steal number plates, that obviously requires a more government level approach to solving it. Replacing our plates with versions that craze if removed without the correct tool or something, rendering them illegible. Just off the top of my head.

Or binning plates altogether in favour of RFID tags in the windscreen passing police cars can read. Or something. Maybe a 20 year no parole jail sentence for driving a car with stolen plates. After the first few, I suspect it would become a rare crime.

I'd have thought that it would be in everyone's interest to have a system of vehicle registration and ID that cannot be got round with a screwdriver....

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#1181288 22-Nov-2014 15:10

unidirectional screws sorted it for a friend, till his whole bumper was nicked.

And the process to get replacement plates needs to be tightened up.

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#1181290 22-Nov-2014 15:11

Geektastic: At the end of the day, it's likely that somewhere in the world the problem has been solved.

If people steal number plates, that obviously requires a more government level approach to solving it. Replacing our plates with versions that craze if removed without the correct tool or something, rendering them illegible. Just off the top of my head.

Or binning plates altogether in favour of RFID tags in the windscreen passing police cars can read. Or something. Maybe a 20 year no parole jail sentence for driving a car with stolen plates. After the first few, I suspect it would become a rare crime.

I'd have thought that it would be in everyone's interest to have a system of vehicle registration and ID that cannot be got round with a screwdriver....

Plates that explode if an attempt to take would be more effective. :P

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1181292 22-Nov-2014 15:12

mattwnz:
networkn:
mattwnz:
Bung:
Geektastic: There are also plenty of NPR systems (number plate recognition) that could read and record the plates, times and dates of arrival and exit for every vehicle coming onto the forecourt.

That only works if the plates belong to the car. Plates are often taken from same brand similar model donor cars. The camera wouldn't record enough info to show the plate and car didn't match.

They could still have a pin as a second level of defense. At the end of the day it can be solved if enough money is thrown at it.

Hahaha yah because retail petrol sales is such a profitable business.

What a lot of people seem to mix up is petrol stations and petrol companies. Not many really rich station owners.

Depends on the petrol station, as to whether it is a franchise one, or one owned and operated by the fuel company. But when there is a 20 cent difference in fuel, in two close areas, depending on wether there is a low cost operateor in the area, some are making good margins. But they make a good amount of money from the addons and other things they sell, which are sold for very high margins. Some are essentially dairies.

You are confusing petrol sales for other things. They aren't going to use profits from the sale of dairy type products, to pay for upgrades that allow people out of their sales area faster are they ? Does that sounds like reasonable business sense? Petrol Sales alone are not making anyone rich and you will find, that often places doing "cheap" petrol are selling for a loss, and there is also differences in what one station or brand will pay for petrol compared to another. My understanding from someone in the industry, is that pretty much regardless of brand or type, petrol sales have low margins.

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#1181293 22-Nov-2014 15:14

networkn:
KiwiNZ:
networkn:
tigercorp: People should be rightfully outraged about this.

Should they ? If you are outraged about this, how do you feel about pedophiles attacking little kids, thousands of women and Kurdish refugees being slaughtered ?

Save your "outrage" for something truly outrageous. It's badm but it's being put right and no-one died!

With respect this is somewhat arrogant as was the post responded to. You cannot dictate what someone chooses to be outraged by.

I can't dictate what someone chooses to be outraged about, but I think I have every right to offer some perspective in the hope that a little common sense takes grip here instead of the media whipped frenzy which
appears to be the case now.

Absolutely and I would defend your right as I defend the right for someone to be outraged.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1181305 22-Nov-2014 16:11

Are shop employees charged for thefts by shoplifters?
No.
Then why should garage employees be charged for thefts by drive-away criminals?

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