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#3107898 25-Jul-2023 14:56

gzt: You're simply wrong on many levels. The Police Association has condemned the ACT party for this stance on several occasions.

feel free to explain why you think thats wrong.

of course police condemn act. police playing politics is not exactly a news item. police condemn a lot of things including things that you voted for.

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#3107900 25-Jul-2023 15:02

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Criminals will never participate in the register (they are also unlicenced of course) so it will not have any effect on the people who cause 100% of gun crime.

in all fairness it will put the brakes on a few things like straw buying. i doubt it would stop illegal sales, there will simply be more theft. assuming the meth head cares about being caught.

but its certainly not going to change the end use and may well boost the black market.

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#3107988 25-Jul-2023 17:59

Handle9: Nah. ACT is pandering to the gun nuts.

Quarter of a million kiwis are legally licensed firearms owners. I doubt they are all nuts - in fact, they have to go through more vetting than someone getting a basic security clearance, or a drivers licence.

Calling them "gun nuts" does nothing to create any dort of amicable dialogue, and is much more likely to create an "us and the nuts" devision like is seen in the US.

This is also getting a long way from the fact that this person was a criminal, on home detention. No registration was stopping this.

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#3107996 25-Jul-2023 18:21

Ge0rge:
Handle9: Nah. ACT is pandering to the gun nuts.

Over one million kiwis are legally licensed firearms owners. I doubt they are all nuts - in fact, they have to go through more vetting than someone getting a basic security clearance, or a drivers licence.

Calling them "gun nuts" does nothing to create any dort of amicable dialogue, and is much more likely to create an "us and the nuts" devision like is seen in the US.

This is also getting a long way from the fact that this person was a criminal, on home detention. No registration was stopping this.

The vast majority of gun owners are largely or entirely unaffected by gun controls.

If you have a 308 for shooting deer, an over and under for shooting ducks or a 22 for shooting rabbits you fill in a few extra forms and you are done.

Registration is required for any number of things, guns should be one of them.

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#3108050 25-Jul-2023 18:53

Ge0rge: Over one million kiwis are legally licensed firearms owners.

Nonsense. You're totally wrong. The NZ Police said 240,000 owners in 2022. It's only slightly more than that in 2023.

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#3108052 25-Jul-2023 19:13

gzt:
Ge0rge: Over one million kiwis are legally licensed firearms owners.

Nonsense. You're totally wrong. The NZ Police said 240,000 owners in 2022. It's only slightly more than that in 2023.

Crap, yes! I stand corrected - the quote I was thinking of was "Over one million Kiwi's Hunt, Fish and Vote".

Even as I was typing it I did think dam! Just on a 5th of us?

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#3108055 25-Jul-2023 19:20

"Over one million Kiwi's Hunt, Fish and Vote"

Easy mistake to make. That could mislead anyone and obviously has.

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#3108057 25-Jul-2023 19:30

Ge0rge:

Calling them "gun nuts" does nothing to create any dort of amicable dialogue, and is much more likely to create an "us and the nuts" devision like is seen in the US.

to late. police already blame legal firearm owners for ALL of the gang violence, they have made that very clear.

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#3108059 25-Jul-2023 19:41

Handle9:

The vast majority of gun owners are largely or entirely unaffected by gun controls.

If you have a 308 for shooting deer, an over and under for shooting ducks or a 22 for shooting rabbits you fill in a few extra forms and you are done.

Registration is required for any number of things, guns should be one of them.

true, its not really a big deal. however govt has a long track record of IT and privacy failures. how long before it becomes a shopping list.

also how long before the police get sick of pouring money into it and start short cutting yet again. one of the original problems was the proposed reduction in arms officers and firearm checks, obviously firearms wasn't deemed a high priority. of course we all know what happened when one slipped through the cracks. now they have had to do the opposite and increase the number. but how long until the funds are syphoned off and used elsewhere.

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#3108061 25-Jul-2023 19:43

Eva888: The criminals have the guns and the decent citizens handed theirs in at amnesty time.

It's important to have an amnesty from time to time. Even criminals get older or wiser and just want to get rid of stuff that might somehow be demanded by an associate in future or otherwise put them in jail again once they're out.

It's well known that gang members in Northland handed over a number of weapons during the recent amnesty and I'm sure it happened in many other places and by individuals too without publicity.

There's also a range of new offenses and penalties which will tend to encourage similar decisions.

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#3108065 25-Jul-2023 20:02

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Eva888: The criminals have the guns and the decent citizens handed theirs in at amnesty time.

It's important to have an amnesty from time to time. Even criminals get older or wiser and just want to get rid of stuff that might somehow be demanded by an associate in future or otherwise put them in jail again once they're out.

It's well known that gang members in Northland handed over a number of weapons during the recent amnesty and I'm sure it happened in many other places and by individuals too without publicity.

There's also a range of new offenses and penalties which will tend to encourage similar decisions.

you need to remember that only legal firearm owners where allowed to hand firearms into the buyback. so those "gang members" would have to be legal firearm owners. i suspect its more 'inaccurate" reporting which was common at the time, they probably where not real gang members but associates.

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#3108066 25-Jul-2023 20:22

Gun buybacks need to be ‘no questions asked’ for best results.

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#3108270 26-Jul-2023 13:29

tweake: you need to remember

Your post is confused and incorrect. As a starting point - you should know that the conditions for buyback and the conditions for amnesty were different.

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#3108340 26-Jul-2023 14:14

gzt:
tweake: you need to remember

Your post is confused and incorrect. As a starting point - you should know that the conditions for buyback and the conditions for amnesty were different.

buyback was only for legal firearm owners. illegal gun owners where excluded but they could hand over firearms at police stations as they could do previously and still continue to do today. end of story.

feel free to explain otherwise.

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#3108343 26-Jul-2023 14:17

You're continuing to change the story and relying on me for a lot of explaining. How about you provide some references for your erroneous claims of fact.

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