Climate change: what are YOU doing to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions in New Zealand?

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#1841703 9-Aug-2017 11:14

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Those Actic expeditions to measure ice shrinkage have a habit of getting trapped in the ice!

I don't think that this is any indication that ice shrinkage isn't happening. The problem there is not so much the amount of ice, but that it is getting pushed around by wind and ocean currents. So you cruise in through a big gap in the ice, then the wind changes and the gap closes up behind you. Another gap the same size opens up somewhere else, but you can't get to it.

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#1841704 9-Aug-2017 11:15

Never believe politicians.

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#1841730 9-Aug-2017 11:51

Read this article the other day, found it quite interesting: https://perspicacity.xyz/2017/05/24/this-is-how-big-oil-will-die/

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#1841777 9-Aug-2017 12:01

Great article.

I see no reason why the car ICE won't go the way of film cameras in the near future. The question of ownership/ride sharing is a harder one. There's an independence, security and timeliness in owning. Not owning leaves the likelihood of having to wait at busy times and I bet doubt shared cars will be available to tow my boat to the ramp and be there when I get back. Families of five like mine go on weekend holidays so a rideshare isn't ideal if it's not a six seater and doesn't have room for the bags. And it needs to be available to drive back to Auckland from Whangamata on Sunday night? I just can't see it supporting the lifestyle I want.

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#1841789 9-Aug-2017 12:21

Lifestyles change. Just like technology and societies.

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#1841792 9-Aug-2017 12:28

I hope lifestyles don't change that much and if you think they will then I certainly do reject your reality and substitute my own.

You'll be taking my ability to freely and at whim, travel with my family and my boat, from my cold dead hands! (Apologies to Charlton Heston).

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#1841803 9-Aug-2017 12:38

It's not about taking things away, it's about doing things differently in a responsible, sustainable way.

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#1841812 9-Aug-2017 12:57

Sounds like classic DoubleSpeak! We're not taking away your ability to travel freely with your family while towing your boat. We're just allowing you to not do that in a responsible, sustainable way!

I feel so much better.

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#1841813 9-Aug-2017 12:57

MikeB4:

It's not about taking things away, it's about doing things differently in a responsible, sustainable way.

I disagree - the "visions" presented for future transport and lifestyles would remove a great deal of the personal freedom currently enjoyed by NZers, especially those who follow a lifestyle different to the urban masses. This may or may not happen - but we mustn't be fooled into thinking that all of the changes will be positive, or that nobody will care about this loss of freedom and individuality.

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#1841818 9-Aug-2017 13:05

Yep, there are plenty of passionate proponents of public transport who foresee a Utopian future with no cars needed at all. Good for them, as long as they can't force their ideals on me.

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#1841825 9-Aug-2017 13:13

shk292:

MikeB4:

It's not about taking things away, it's about doing things differently in a responsible, sustainable way.

I disagree - the "visions" presented for future transport and lifestyles would remove a great deal of the personal freedom currently enjoyed by NZers, especially those who follow a lifestyle different to the urban masses. This may or may not happen - but we mustn't be fooled into thinking that all of the changes will be positive, or that nobody will care about this loss of freedom and individuality.

This is true, but there is another side. The other side is people so selfish and self-obsessed that they are not prepared to give up any of their perceived 'freedom' for the sake of future survivability and will grimly cling to the wheel of their V8 SUV as they drive themselves and the rest of the world into the hell of a dead and devastated planet.

Of course that vision is also wrong. It is not all one or the other. But people who keep shouting that they are not prepared to make any kind of change whatsoever because they insist on the 'freedom' to continue doing everything exactly the same way they and their grandparents always have, are not helping things. The way forward is to make small compromises and gradual changes. Things don't stay the same. You don't have to either.

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#1841837 9-Aug-2017 13:30

kryptonjohn:

Sounds like classic DoubleSpeak! We're not taking away your ability to travel freely with your family while towing your boat. We're just allowing you to not do that in a responsible, sustainable way!

I feel so much better.

Umm I don't get your post?

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#1841842 9-Aug-2017 13:34

Don't worry Mike, it's just my tongue-in-cheek interpretation of "It's not about taking things away, it's about doing things differently in a responsible, sustainable way."

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#1841845 9-Aug-2017 13:40

Rikkitic:

shk292:

MikeB4:

It's not about taking things away, it's about doing things differently in a responsible, sustainable way.

I disagree - the "visions" presented for future transport and lifestyles would remove a great deal of the personal freedom currently enjoyed by NZers, especially those who follow a lifestyle different to the urban masses. This may or may not happen - but we mustn't be fooled into thinking that all of the changes will be positive, or that nobody will care about this loss of freedom and individuality.

This is true, but there is another side. The other side is people so selfish and self-obsessed that they are not prepared to give up any of their perceived 'freedom' for the sake of future survivability and will grimly cling to the wheel of their V8 SUV as they drive themselves and the rest of the world into the hell of a dead and devastated planet.

Of course that vision is also wrong. It is not all one or the other. But people who keep shouting that they are not prepared to make any kind of change whatsoever because they insist on the 'freedom' to continue doing everything exactly the same way they and their grandparents always have, are not helping things. The way forward is to make small compromises and gradual changes. Things don't stay the same. You don't have to either.

I agree we all need to do adapt to change and do the things that are best for the planet. But, here's the thing, new residents and petrol cars, for example, are pouring into the country at such a fast rate that they are making our efforts to control greenhouse gas emissions more difficult by the day.

For example, about 380,000 vehicles have been added to our roads during the last 2 years. How many of these are electric vehicles - perhaps 3,000 at most.

So, even if 20,000 people bought EVs during the next year (unlikely), these will be completely bombed out by 150,000 (or more) petrol vehicles being added to our roads.

I suppose the flow of petrol vehicles into NZ will eventually slow down, but electric vehicles are now so expensive and have such limited range that we are going to be importing a lot more petrol vehicles than EVs for years to come!

And think of the emissions created by 70,000 new immigrants each year! Our situation is simply spiralling (almost out of control) because of the amazing economic growth of this fair country of ours!

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#1841847 9-Aug-2017 13:44

kryptonjohn:

Don't worry Mike, it's just my tongue-in-cheek interpretation of "It's not about taking things away, it's about doing things differently in a responsible, sustainable way."

Got you, I thought I was going nuts, ( or is that nuttier) I read it a few times and going say what now.

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