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#2612644 29-Nov-2020 13:20

MikeB4:

It means squat if people believe climate change is a natural event, man made or caused by the Cookie Monster it is happening and if we don’t pull finger and take urgent mitigation action it is going to be one giant cluster pluck that is going to impact every one.

If it is caused by the bolded effects quoted above, what ‘mitigations’ do you suggest?

Throw people into volcanoes?

Bake giant cookies?

What needs to be looked at is resilience and adaption.

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#2612647 29-Nov-2020 13:33

Actually, I would think we probably do have a disproportionate influence. We seem to 'hit above our weight' in other areas and our beloved PM has a LOT of international credibility, much as that annoys our local naysayers. She managed to move mountains to get the Christchurch Call off the ground and I would imagine if anyone can tell other world leaders they need to do more, it would be her.

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#2612648 29-Nov-2020 13:34

gzt:
It's pretty clear even conservative predictions for sea level rise are going to have a large impact in NZ.

So global estimates of 30cm rise by 2100 (which is midrange by the way) are going to have a large impact on NZ? Considering that the Pacific plate subducting under the Australian plate lifts NZ by approx 7mm per year we can probably adapt.

Large parts of The Netherlands have lived at or below sea level for a long time.

Perhaps it is time to be realistic if we believe the apocalyptic forecasts and do what we have done to combat COVID19. Shut ourselves off from the world, prepare our defences against the climate disaster and party like it’s 1999.

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#2612656 29-Nov-2020 14:11

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Large parts of The Netherlands have lived at or below sea level for a long time.

Large parts of the Netherlands live at or below sea level at enormous cost. Truly monumental civil engineering projects have been underway since the 17th century draining and reclaiming land, building dikes, rerouting waterways, and creating the world's biggest storm surge barrier in a series of construction projects that spanned decades and have been compared to the Apollo moon missions in terms of cost and complexity. The country's international airport, Schiphol, was built on the site of a naval battle after the huge body of water it took place on was drained in the 19th century with steam pumps.

What has made the stunning ongoing achievement of extensive land reclamation and seawall construction possible, was the acceptance by all Dutch people of the need for this and a willingness to bear the cost. Compare that to the howls of anguish here when any suggestion of the slightest contribution to the public good is made. How can we ever embark on any long-term undertaking of any scale, when we still can't fix the damage of a relatively moderate earthquake 10 years ago? By the time people finish arguing about all the things that can't be done and are too hard or too expensive or too encroaching we will all be under water anyway.

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#2612659 29-Nov-2020 14:33

Rikkitic:

Actually, I would think we probably do have a disproportionate influence. We seem to 'hit above our weight' in other areas and our beloved PM has a LOT of international credibility, much as that annoys our local naysayers. She managed to move mountains to get the Christchurch Call off the ground and I would imagine if anyone can tell other world leaders they need to do more, it would be her.

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#2612664 29-Nov-2020 14:59

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If you want. That’s almost what Germany had to do when it banned nuclear - it started buying Russian gas instead.

Nuclear is a better option as someone said above. Especially for such a small population.

Nuclear is not an option for Aotearoa. You don't fix one disaster with a potential millennia lasting disaster that is illogical and not warranted. We have abuntant scope for safe alternatives such as wind generation.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2612666 29-Nov-2020 15:01

Dingbatt:

What needs to be looked at is resilience and adaption.

Is that not mitigation? something we are not doing.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2612667 29-Nov-2020 15:02

networkn:

Good Grief. Give me strength!

Just say a prayer to Our Lady of the Beehive. That will do the trick.

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#2612669 29-Nov-2020 15:09

The sea level rise does not just mean that the sea rises and results in inundation it will seriously affect our rivers changing outflows, sedimentation, gravel bed etc. This will result in greater inland flooding and that will impact agricultural production. The rivers coupled with alter outflows and shingle banks will have far greater flow rate due to increasing adverse weather extremes.

Our major ports will need to be relocated and ports such a Wellington moved completely out of the harbour to allow flood protection for the CBD and environs.

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#2612678 29-Nov-2020 15:25

Yes, just like the Maldives that were predicted to be underwater by

~~1980~~

~~1990~~

~~2000~~

~~2010~~

~~2020~~

2100

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#2612682 29-Nov-2020 15:42

Dingbatt:

Yes, just like the Maldives that were predicted to be underwater by

1980

1990

2000

2010

2020

2100

This post makes no sense.

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#2612684 29-Nov-2020 15:46

I didn't have any trouble understanding it.

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#2612841 29-Nov-2020 21:55

Dingbatt:
gzt:
It's pretty clear even conservative predictions for sea level rise are going to have a large impact in NZ.

So global estimates of 30cm rise by 2100 (which is midrange by the way) are going to have a large impact on NZ? Considering that the Pacific plate subducting under the Australian plate lifts NZ by approx 7mm per year we can probably adapt.

Large parts of The Netherlands have lived at or below sea level for a long time.

Perhaps it is time to be realistic if we believe the apocalyptic forecasts and do what we have done to combat COVID19. Shut ourselves off from the world, prepare our defences against the climate disaster and party like it’s 1999.

Large parts of East Anglia in the UK are also below sea level and are drained with a system of dykes and pumps. It’s some of the most productive agricultural land in Britain, known as Black Fen Gold locally.
Dutch immigrants began the process.

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#2612842 29-Nov-2020 21:56

MikeB4:
Geektastic:

If you want. That’s almost what Germany had to do when it banned nuclear - it started buying Russian gas instead.

Nuclear is a better option as someone said above. Especially for such a small population.

Nuclear is not an option for Aotearoa. You don't fix one disaster with a potential millennia lasting disaster that is illogical and not warranted. We have abuntant scope for safe alternatives such as wind generation.

Of course it’s an option. It doesn’t cease being one ever.

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#2612847 29-Nov-2020 22:00

Rikkitic:
Dingbatt:

Large parts of The Netherlands have lived at or below sea level for a long time.

Large parts of the Netherlands live at or below sea level at enormous cost. Truly monumental civil engineering projects have been underway since the 17th century draining and reclaiming land, building dikes, rerouting waterways, and creating the world's biggest storm surge barrier in a series of construction projects that spanned decades and have been compared to the Apollo moon missions in terms of cost and complexity. The country's international airport, Schiphol, was built on the site of a naval battle after the huge body of water it took place on was drained in the 19th century with steam pumps.

What has made the stunning ongoing achievement of extensive land reclamation and seawall construction possible, was the acceptance by all Dutch people of the need for this and a willingness to bear the cost. Compare that to the howls of anguish here when any suggestion of the slightest contribution to the public good is made. How can we ever embark on any long-term undertaking of any scale, when we still can't fix the damage of a relatively moderate earthquake 10 years ago? By the time people finish arguing about all the things that can't be done and are too hard or too expensive or too encroaching we will all be under water anyway.

My house is 170m AMSL so if I am seeing water lapping at the gate, most of NZ is a tourist diving attraction!

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