Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


qwerty7

434 posts

Ultimate Geek
Inactive user


#119137 21-May-2013 21:15
Send private message

Cannabis is illegal yet we have synthetic legal highs with who knows what in them, which are causing a whole range of problems and can be purchased anywhere. There is even a legal high called 'crack' which is a white powder and it comes with a glass pipe which you pour the powder in and smoke it like p. How does it make sense that all this cr*p is legal, yet cannabis is illegal?

View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6
kyhwana2
2469 posts

Uber Geek


  #823207 21-May-2013 21:43
Send private message

Well, it's not legal anymore!
There's lots of studies about actual cannabis vs none for the legal highs and it looks like pot is probably less worse for you (or better medicinally) than the "legal" stuff.


oxnsox
1923 posts

Uber Geek


  #823226 21-May-2013 22:00
Send private message

It simply hasn't been made illegal. .. (therefore it must be legal), and because it's hard to define, it will stay that way till the law changes in August.

 
 
 
 


GBristow
178 posts

Master Geek


  #823241 21-May-2013 22:16
Send private message

And now Dunne's new law is going to make drugs a priori illegal. They must be proven non-harmful before they can be scheduled. Yet he makes explicit exceptions for tobacco and alcohol and makes absolutely no explanation for this. It's hypocritical. If legality is based on harm then such laws should be applied to all drugs. Marijuana and MDMA is by far least harmful.

kyhwana2
2469 posts

Uber Geek


  #823243 21-May-2013 22:20
Send private message

Oh man, if the new laws applied alcohol and tabacco they'd be hella-banned as well..

DonGould
3892 posts

Uber Geek


  #823244 21-May-2013 22:20
Send private message

qwerty7: Cannabis is illegal yet we have synthetic legal highs with who knows what in them, which are causing a whole range of problems and can be purchased anywhere. There is even a legal high called 'crack' which is a white powder and it comes with a glass pipe which you pour the powder in and smoke it like p. How does it make sense that all this cr*p is legal, yet cannabis is illegal?


What did your local MP say when you put this to them?





Promote New Zealand - Get yourself a .kiwi.nz domain name!!!

Check out mine - i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz - don@i.am.a.can.do.kiwi.nz


nathan
5687 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Microsoft

  #823246 21-May-2013 22:24
Send private message

Banning tobacco and alcohol would be a sure fire way for an MP to lose their job at next election




populism, the most important and misunderstood movement of our time


tdgeek
21530 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #823251 21-May-2013 22:31
Send private message

GBristow:  Yet he makes explicit exceptions for tobacco and alcohol and makes absolutely no explanation for this. It's hypocritical. If legality is based on harm then such laws should be applied to all drugs.


I like a beer or a bourbon, but you are right, they are legal drugs. Can damage health, can and do cause death and injury, albeit often to innocent third parties, which is worse than traditional drugs which have more self harm aspects than alcohol.

 
 
 
 


plod
266 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #823254 21-May-2013 22:32
Send private message

GBristow: And now Dunne's new law is going to make drugs a priori illegal. They must be proven non-harmful before they can be scheduled. Yet he makes explicit exceptions for tobacco and alcohol and makes absolutely no explanation for this. It's hypocritical. If legality is based on harm then such laws should be applied to all drugs. Marijuana and MDMA is by far least harmful.
just wait till some smart person has the money to prove pot is not harmful.

Regs
4062 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Snowflake

  #823261 21-May-2013 23:01
Send private message

qwerty7: Cannabis is illegal yet we have synthetic legal highs with who knows what in them, which are causing a whole range of problems and can be purchased anywhere. There is even a legal high called 'crack' which is a white powder and it comes with a glass pipe which you pour the powder in and smoke it like p. How does it make sense that all this cr*p is legal, yet cannabis is illegal?


are you trying to make an argument for cannabis being legal?  there are a few studies now that give credibility to the supposition that regular cannabis use leads to much higher rates of depression, anxiety and even psychotic disorders.

knowing quite a few people that suffer from these conditions and seeing the way it can impact lives and families, i wouldn't be voting it legal any time soon....  

mental health issues don't just affect the person who has them, they can mess up entire families both mentally and financially.  if cannabis lead to the developing of these conditions, then you cannot say that a person taking it is a 'victim-less' crime.




networkn
23486 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #823275 21-May-2013 23:25
Send private message

plod:
GBristow: And now Dunne's new law is going to make drugs a priori illegal. They must be proven non-harmful before they can be scheduled. Yet he makes explicit exceptions for tobacco and alcohol and makes absolutely no explanation for this. It's hypocritical. If legality is based on harm then such laws should be applied to all drugs. Marijuana and MDMA is by far least harmful.
just wait till some smart person has the money to prove pot is not harmful.


LOL What a ridiculous statement, you don't think plenty of smart and or rich people haven't tried?

Drugs are bad mkay?


kiwijunglist
2887 posts

Uber Geek


  #823276 21-May-2013 23:26
Send private message

You can put solvents or butane in a bag and get high if you want to. There are 100s of 'legal' ways to get high and destroy your brain.




HTPC / Home automation (home assistant) enthusiast.


Dratsab
3596 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #823286 21-May-2013 23:54
Send private message

tdgeek: I like a beer or a bourbon, but you are right, they are legal drugs. Can damage health, can and do cause death and injury, albeit often to innocent third parties, which is worse than traditional drugs which have more self harm aspects than alcohol.


Only when viewed from the perspective of the end (l)user. I've seen a metric s**tload of results of standovers, "taxings", deals gone bad, takeovers etc. You need to look at the bigger picture.

qwerty7

434 posts

Ultimate Geek
Inactive user


  #823303 22-May-2013 00:25
Send private message

DonGould:
qwerty7: Cannabis is illegal yet we have synthetic legal highs with who knows what in them, which are causing a whole range of problems and can be purchased anywhere. There is even a legal high called 'crack' which is a white powder and it comes with a glass pipe which you pour the powder in and smoke it like p. How does it make sense that all this cr*p is legal, yet cannabis is illegal?


What did your local MP say when you put this to them?


I get your point but I see writing to the local mp a complete waste of time and don't believe they would care about one persons opinion. 

I do not believe cannabis should be legal, but I do believe it should be decriminalized. 

Regs:
qwerty7: Cannabis is illegal yet we have synthetic legal highs with who knows what in them, which are causing a whole range of problems and can be purchased anywhere. There is even a legal high called 'crack' which is a white powder and it comes with a glass pipe which you pour the powder in and smoke it like p. How does it make sense that all this cr*p is legal, yet cannabis is illegal?


are you trying to make an argument for cannabis being legal?  there are a few studies now that give credibility to the supposition that regular cannabis use leads to much higher rates of depression, anxiety and even psychotic disorders.

knowing quite a few people that suffer from these conditions and seeing the way it can impact lives and families, i wouldn't be voting it legal any time soon....  

mental health issues don't just affect the person who has them, they can mess up entire families both mentally and financially.  if cannabis lead to the developing of these conditions, then you cannot say that a person taking it is a 'victim-less' crime.

So can alcohol. Not being unsympathetic but there are a million and one other things that can lead to these issues aswell and I don't believe that is grounds to effect the legality for the majority of the population. I would also question whether the two were directly related in the first place. Or it just happens to be the type of person who would smoke cannabis regularly in the first place is more likely to get depressed. Some people get high several times a day. What are they escaping from?

1080p
1332 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #823304 22-May-2013 00:26
Send private message

Dratsab:
tdgeek: I like a beer or a bourbon, but you are right, they are legal drugs. Can damage health, can and do cause death and injury, albeit often to innocent third parties, which is worse than traditional drugs which have more self harm aspects than alcohol.


Only when viewed from the perspective of the end (l)user. I've seen a metric s**tload of results of standovers, "taxings", deals gone bad, takeovers etc. You need to look at the bigger picture.


Which would all continue if the illegality was removed and they were sold in regular stores?

Asmodeus
1009 posts

Uber Geek


  #823305 22-May-2013 00:33
Send private message

Regs:
qwerty7: Cannabis is illegal yet we have synthetic legal highs with who knows what in them, which are causing a whole range of problems and can be purchased anywhere. There is even a legal high called 'crack' which is a white powder and it comes with a glass pipe which you pour the powder in and smoke it like p. How does it make sense that all this cr*p is legal, yet cannabis is illegal?


are you trying to make an argument for cannabis being legal?  there are a few studies now that give credibility to the supposition that regular cannabis use leads to much higher rates of depression, anxiety and even psychotic disorders.

knowing quite a few people that suffer from these conditions and seeing the way it can impact lives and families, i wouldn't be voting it legal any time soon....  

mental health issues don't just affect the person who has them, they can mess up entire families both mentally and financially.  if cannabis lead to the developing of these conditions, then you cannot say that a person taking it is a 'victim-less' crime.


Alcohol and tobacco are far far worse to an individual's health, to society and are a massive economic burden. The harm caused by cannabis is much much less and no legit unbiased study you can show me will refute that. It is my right to choose whether or not I want to use any of these. The incidence of the disorders you mention is barely significantly higher in cannabis smokers than the general public. The people affected are usually genetically predisposed or heavy users. Used responsibly, cannabis is an extremely safe intoxicant. MDMA is also a very low risk substance if used responsibly but yes there can be adverse effects. These are but a tiny shadow of what alcohol and tobacco do. I always liked the following quote from the editor of the world's most prestigious medical journal

“The smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health”  - Editor of The Lancet (Nov 11, 1995)

The war on cannabis is a massive ridiculous failure but very few politicians are going to do anything about it. Unfortunately the general public believes the anti cannabis propaganda and lies that are spread by the uninformed, those on personal crusades and those with a vested interest in the drug being banned (which is why it was banned in the first place).

I agree that the nasty "legal high" filth that is unfortunately called "synthetic cannabis" should be banned from sale. If personal cannabis use was not a criminal matter, there would be no demand for it. It should be a health and education issue, not a criminal one. In Portugal they decriminalised possession of small amounts of ALL drugs and crime went down, drug-related disease rates went down, drug use went down even among youth, state spending on enforcement went down and police were able to focus on dealers and other serious crime. Don't expect the same around here with the likes of Dunne and Anderton on their ill informed crusades against all drugs (except good old booze and fags of course!)



 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News »

Vodafone enables 5G roaming - for when international travel comes
Posted 30-Oct-2020 15:03


Spark awards funding to Kiwi businesses in 5G funding initiative
Posted 30-Oct-2020 14:58


Huawei launches IdeaHub Pro in New Zealand
Posted 27-Oct-2020 16:41


Southland-based IT specialist providing virtual services worldwide
Posted 27-Oct-2020 15:55


NASA discovers water on sunlit surface of Moon
Posted 27-Oct-2020 08:30


Huawei introduces new features to Petal Search, Maps and Docs
Posted 26-Oct-2020 18:05


Nokia selected by NASA to build first ever cellular network on the Moon
Posted 21-Oct-2020 08:34


Nanoleaf enhances lighting line with launch of Triangles and Mini Triangles
Posted 17-Oct-2020 20:18


Synology unveils DS16211+
Posted 17-Oct-2020 20:12


Ingram Micro introduces FootfallCam to New Zealand channel
Posted 17-Oct-2020 20:06


Dropbox adopts Virtual First working policy
Posted 17-Oct-2020 19:47


OPPO announces Reno4 Series 5G line-up in NZ
Posted 16-Oct-2020 08:52


Microsoft Highway to a Hundred expands to Asia Pacific
Posted 14-Oct-2020 09:34


Spark turns on 5G in Auckland
Posted 14-Oct-2020 09:29


AMD Launches AMD Ryzen 5000 Series Desktop Processors
Posted 9-Oct-2020 10:13









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.