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I have had a lot of bad experiences with poor-quality Chinese electronics products. This makes me wonder whether I am just unlucky or if others have gone through something similar.

 

 

 

My unhappy relationship with things Chinese began a few years ago when I started using energy-saving light bulbs. Having come from Europe, I was used to these working well and lasting for up to five years. Here, they regularly burned out after just a few weeks, sometimes only a day or two. I literally went through dozens in the course of a year. Two actually exploded and a third started a fire. I also remember seeing some media reports about this at the time. Finally, I gave up on the generic ones and started using only Philips and GE. I don’t know if these brands are actually manufactured in China or not but since I started using them I have had no more problems.

 

 

 

Over the years I have bought many electronics devices having to do with computers, audio, and video. Some of my purchases included a KVM switch, a digitiser, and a (Dick Smith) USB network cable for directly transferring files between computers. All made in China. The switch began intermittently failing after a few months. This kind of failure, which is almost impossible to diagnose or prove when making a warranty claim, seems to happen a lot. The digitiser never worked correctly and the USB cable never worked at all. I exchanged it but the replacement had the same problem so I gave up. It wasn’t that expensive.

 

 

 

Just recently, a new digital photo frame developed an intermittent fault. When I took it back under the warranty the store manager just sighed and refunded my money. He didn’t even bother looking at it. He said it wasn’t worth trying to fix.

 

 

 

Just before Christmas I bought a sub-woofer amp. This brand-new marvel of Chinese manufacturing technology lasted precisely two weeks before one of the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply went out. It was grudgingly repaired under warranty, but I still had to pay to ship the thing back to Auckland. I bought the amp, by the way, to replace another Chinese one that died after just a couple years.

 

 

 

Check out my set-top boxes. For a time the Openbox receiver worked as it was supposed to. Just after the warranty expired it started doing increasingly strange things that at first confused me and made me unnecessarily replace my LNBs and DiSEqC switch before the Openbox finally died for good. Its replacement sort of works though it freezes on start-up and usually has to be booted several times. The terrestrial receiver has trouble remembering its settings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. These are only some examples of my bad experiences.

 

 

 

In contrast to this nonsense, not a single one of the Japanese products I own, such as the excellent Yamaha amp that has served me well for many years, has ever given me any trouble at all.

 

 

 

My point is that even though products sold in New Zealand come with warranty protection under the Consumer Guarantees Act, it is still a major disappointment and a lot of hassle and sometimes added expense when something fails just after you buy it. Naturally there will always be a degree of failure, but is such a high failure rate reasonable or acceptable? If you buy something new, even if it is a cheap generic model, shouldn’t you be able to expect it to work normally and last for at least two or three years?

 

 

 

I don’t want this to become an anti-Chinese rant. I also appreciate that the Chinese are perfectly capable of making good quality stuff. But I suspect they flood the market with a lot of inferior rubbish. I wonder if they understand quality control. Here in distant New Zealand, with our Free Trade agreement, a lot of what appears in our shops only comes from China. It is not impossible to find high-quality goods from Europe and elsewhere, but it is more difficult and usually much more expensive. So a lot of the time, in practical terms, we don’t have a lot of choice. Are we being taken advantage of?

 

 

 

I would like to know the thoughts and experiences of others on this subject, which is why I have started this thread. Are Chinese goods as bad as I think? Is there a reason for this? Do we, as consumers, have a right to demand better? Thanks for reading this and sorry about the length. I feel so much better now.

 

 

 





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AUGH! WALL OF TEXT!

I can't be bothered reading that, but generally: Chinese electronic products are as good as their quality control. Apple seems to be doing pretty well with the stuff they have manufactured there.

 
 
 
 


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  # 960255 2-Jan-2014 12:52
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Have not really had many issues with them. Half of the electronics these days are made in Japan assembled in China or Thailand etc.. Quite sure 90% of our PC components we are using to view GZ are made in china. So it really comes down quality control and design of product.



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Journeyman: AUGH! WALL OF TEXT!

I can't be bothered reading that, but generally: Chinese electronic products are as good as their quality control. Apple seems to be doing pretty well with the stuff they have manufactured there.

 

 

Sorry about the wall of text. I did a cut and paste and lost the paragraphs. Am trying to edit them back in.

 





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What computers and/or components are made elsewhere from China? You get what you pay for. You can buy a $25 mp4 player or you can buy a brand mp4 or music player, all made in China. China has a reputation for cheap stuff, just don't buy it, buy good stuff, bearing in mind that it is also bound to be from China. Apple is a good example. They like others manage quality control, and use lower cost labour.

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That is why I will always pay a slightly higher price and buy a good, well known brand rather than buy something cheap and it will only last a few weeks or months. In the long run, I suspect it will be cheaper to buy from a well known, good brand that will last a few years, than it is to keep buying cheap, no-good stuff every few weeks or months.




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The answer depends on the ethnicity of the person reading the question.

Personally I don't think we have the right to demand a better quality of goods from China. I prefer to avoid Chinese goods not because they are junk, but because of the way employees (not only adults, but children) are treated and over worked. The Chinese slave market is something which has to be seen to be believed.


 
 
 
 


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sonyxperiageek: That is why I will always pay a slightly higher price and buy a good, well known brand rather than buy something cheap and it will only last a few weeks or months. In the long run, I suspect it will be cheaper to buy from a well known, good brand that will last a few years, than it is to keep buying cheap, no-good stuff every few weeks or months.


For sure, enjoy it more, it works better, and while the purchase price is higher, you buy it once.and it's a good feeling to know you bought that intangible, quality

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  # 960264 2-Jan-2014 13:14
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bought 2 Ainol Tablets and after 2 years they are still going with no problems and would but the brand again without question, remember people said the same thing when Korean products came onto the market years ago.




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Klipspringer: The answer depends on the ethnicity of the person reading the question.

Personally I don't think we have the right to demand a better quality of goods from China. I prefer to avoid Chinese goods not because they are junk, but because of the way employees (not only adults, but children) are treated and over worked. The Chinese slave market is something which has to be seen to be believed.



That's correct but it is changing . The 1970's saw a rush to develop, etc, now they are cracking down on corruption, quality issues, perhaps they will find a happy medium between quality and lifestyle, unlike the US which is broke, has well past due date infrastructure, and high labour costs. Peugeot I think has a plant in china, combining labour cost and quality control by their engineers, that's evolution. Their labour market will sort itself out, by their pride and overseas demand, but given their size you'd expect them to always have an edge

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vexxxboy: bought 2 Ainol Tablets and after 2 years they are still going with no problems and would but the brand again without question, remember people said the same thing when Korean products came onto the market years ago.


I recall that pretty much all small tvs were Korean, that was their thing.

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vexxxboy: bought 2 Ainol Tablets and after 2 years they are still going with no problems and would but the brand again without question, remember people said the same thing when Korean products came onto the market years ago.


You must have been one of the very lucky ones! 

The reason why we are saying that the cheap stuff from China is bad is because we (and people) have literally experienced it is bad, not because of some rumor which is probably why people started saying the same thing about Korean products, which turned out to be not true I guess..




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Products are as good as the QA, no matter where they're made.


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sonyxperiageek:
vexxxboy: bought 2 Ainol Tablets and after 2 years they are still going with no problems and would but the brand again without question, remember people said the same thing when Korean products came onto the market years ago.


You must have been one of the very lucky ones! 

The reason why we are saying that the cheap stuff from China is bad is because we (and people) have literally experienced it is bad, not because of some rumor which is probably why people started saying the same thing about Korean products, which turned out to be not true I guess..


Actually the OP raised the thread about Chinese products in general, not cheap stuff from China.

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I have a number of Chinese made electronic items which work just fine and have lasted for years.

Lets start with my iPhone and then consider the Lenovo made Thinkpads.

The famous Japanese branded camera that is sitting on my desk. That has a made in China sticker.

The Verbatim external laptop drive that I have used and abused for the last 5 or six years.

Being realistic about this, I think that it is fair to say that almost all of the electronic goods that I own were either made in China or contain large numbers of components that were made in China.

Most of the time, all of this stuff just works. Some of the cheap stuff may not work so well as the more expensive stuff but that is not really a big deal.

Quality and reliability? I bought three of the cheapest KVM switches that I could find on AliX. One died after a couple of months but who cares? I needed two and bought three. All three together cost me half what I paid for one switch four years ago before AliX got underway.

The last car that I bought in Germany came with a high end Sony radio with a remote CD changer. It never worked properly and I replaced it with a cheap Chinese unit from Aldi which worked perfectly for years.

It seems to me that there is a large degree of snobbery involved in the criticism of Chinese electronics.

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