Scumbag escapes to Chile/Brazil

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#154909 12-Nov-2014 13:58

So Philip Smith/Traynor legged it out of NZ when he was obviously being considered for release from prison and back into society.

His passport has been cancelled so I assume he can't get back in, or go anywhere else either.

The countries he went to don't have an extradition treaty with us, even better.

Therefore why the hell would the government want to spend probably millions on getting this arsehole back into the country?

Strikes me that corrections might have stumbled onto the perfect solution.

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#1173588 12-Nov-2014 14:06

My thoughts exactly. The victims and family are probably better off. He would have been let out eventually to live in NZ, so think this is Probably a better outcome.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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#1173606 12-Nov-2014 14:33

No its not OK to leave him there.

He's free in another country with vulnerable children and where he wont be monitored.

His new victims and their families won't be grateful..

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#1173607 12-Nov-2014 14:37

This whole mess sets a new reference standard for bureaucratic incompetence.

The basic problem seems to be that different Government departments exist in "silos" and don't share enough information.
This man had 50 convictions, and used the adopted name "Smith" every time.

[EDIT] ... He used his real name to run a fraudulent business whilst in prison - he was caught and convicted - and they still didn't catch on.

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#1173609 12-Nov-2014 14:37

kiwitrc: So Philip Smith/Traynor legged it out of NZ when he was obviously being considered for release from prison and back into society.

His passport has been cancelled so I assume he can't get back in, or go anywhere else either.

The countries he went to don't have an extradition treaty with us, even better.

Therefore why the hell would the government want to spend probably millions on getting this arsehole back into the country?

Strikes me that corrections might have stumbled onto the perfect solution.

The prefect solution would be for the SAS to find him and quietly 'vanish' him. He will not be missed.

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#1173613 12-Nov-2014 14:54

Sidestep: No its not OK to leave him there.

He's free in another country with vulnerable children and where he wont be monitored.

His new victims and their families won't be grateful..

Fair enough, our monitoring is much better than theirs, there is no way he could........ uh oh.

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#1173615 12-Nov-2014 14:56

We could just put a bounty on his head.

$1 million for proof of his demise.

Worked for the Americans with their playing cards thing in Sandland.

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#1173640 12-Nov-2014 15:39

Its amazing how on one had, we cry foul at gaps in the systems when "Government departments don't communicate", yet imagine the protests from Minto, Bradford and other "hire a protest" type people if they did openly shared information (privacy act, breach of human rights etc?).

Im not arguing for or against the sharing of information, but it sure is a big can of worms if they try to do so openly........

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#1173646 12-Nov-2014 15:48

If it is even possible given the state of various government IT systems.

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#1173676 12-Nov-2014 16:08

sen8or: ... imagine the protests from Minto, Bradford and other "hire a protest" type people if they did openly shared information (privacy act, breach of human rights etc?).

We are talking about an already notorious pedophile career criminal with more than 50 convictions who has spent 20 years in prison and is considered by the parole board to be beyond "reform".

Our civil rights are more important than his.

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#1173678 12-Nov-2014 16:13

I agree completely, he should be carstrated and strung up to be eaten alive by pigs.....

But who decides under what criteria / conditions its ok for the Government to share information between departments and when its not?

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#1173686 12-Nov-2014 16:22

sen8or: I agree completely, he should be carstrated and strung up to be eaten alive by pigs ...

I'm not advocating medieval / ISIS type punishments - I'm talking about sharing information about convicted career criminals who are a real and present threat to their community.
It's called The Common Good.

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#1173699 12-Nov-2014 16:51

Geektastic: We could just put a bounty on his head.

$1 million for proof of his demise.

Worked for the Americans with their playing cards thing in Sandland.

He already has some cash on him. In South America NZ $10,000 is more than enough if he meets the right people.

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#1173700 12-Nov-2014 16:55

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sen8or: ... imagine the protests from Minto, Bradford and other "hire a protest" type people if they did openly shared information (privacy act, breach of human rights etc?).

We are talking about an already notorious pedophile career criminal with more than 50 convictions who has spent 20 years in prison and is considered by the parole board to be beyond "reform".

Our civil rights are more important than his.

How do you get convicted of murder under an alias without it being tracked back to the root ID?

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#1173702 12-Nov-2014 16:56

Geektastic: The prefect solution would be for the SAS to find him and quietly 'vanish' him. He will not be missed.

Totally. After all, our ability to command soldiers to kill people is what sets us apart from common murderers and pedophiles.

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#1173704 12-Nov-2014 16:59

sen8or: I agree completely, he should be carstrated and strung up to be eaten alive by pigs.....

But who decides under what criteria / conditions its ok for the Government to share information between departments and when its not?

You go through a lengthy PIA process and eventually the Privacy Commissioner will give you the nod, or not.

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