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#192336 7-Mar-2016 10:34

First up, have a read of this

That seems to me to border (sorry) on ridiculous. Applying the logic (and I use that word lightly) then

a) Anyone bringing a laptop to NZ and working on it for a foreign company whilst on holiday here should be denied a visa unless they have a work permit

b) Someone who arrives for a 2 week holiday and has, say, a PA with them should expect the PA to be denied a visa - and themselves, if they plan on working at all

The rules are clearly not intended to prevent someone minding the children (unpaid or frankly even paid) of a family that they are travelling with on a short one week trip to NZ from Australia. They are supposed to stop people coming here and actually getting NZ employment without a work visa - not carrying on a job that is not a NZ job, does not have any base in NZ and where they have no intention of living beyond a short holiday.

Madness.

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#1507331 7-Mar-2016 10:43

I agree. Seems like the immigration desk at Queenstown airport have too much time on their hands.

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#1507332 7-Mar-2016 10:46

Stupid as stupid can be. Some people...

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#1507335 7-Mar-2016 10:51

I'm sensing we aren't getting the whole story here..

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#1507336 7-Mar-2016 10:52

That is madness.

No money changing hands, no NZ taxes 'missed' out on.

Bureaucracy gone mad.

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#1507337 7-Mar-2016 10:54

One would need to review the facts presented to Immigration (not to the Press) and then compare those facts against the Statutory rules governing and the approved policy which Immigation must comply with.

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#1507338 7-Mar-2016 10:56

Absolutely stupid situation and wasting of taxpayers money, unless there is something here we don't know.

Also, not a good look internationally.

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#1507342 7-Mar-2016 10:58

Yeah seems a bit over kill.

But if you are running a babysitting/nanny service in queenstown, you might have a different opinion if tourists bring their own staff with them and so dont use your service I suppose.

Can I bring my driver, my cook, cleaners etc

Lets be honest.

Its a case of come on holiday with us, we will pay for everything if you can do some baby sitting...

She's an employee in Australia and could you argue she still is an employee doing similar duties for which she get paid cash in Au but here she's getting a holiday, but thats still being paid in kind.

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#1507347 7-Mar-2016 11:14

Geektastic:

First up, have a read of this

That seems to me to border (sorry) on ridiculous. Applying the logic (and I use that word lightly) then

a) Anyone bringing a laptop to NZ and working on it for a foreign company whilst on holiday here should be denied a visa unless they have a work permit

b) Someone who arrives for a 2 week holiday and has, say, a PA with them should expect the PA to be denied a visa - and themselves, if they plan on working at all

The rules are clearly not intended to prevent someone minding the children (unpaid or frankly even paid) of a family that they are travelling with on a short one week trip to NZ from Australia. They are supposed to stop people coming here and actually getting NZ employment without a work visa - not carrying on a job that is not a NZ job, does not have any base in NZ and where they have no intention of living beyond a short holiday.

Madness.

If say Tim Cooke came to NZ for a two week holiday and brought with him his P.A and driver then he would enter on a visitors Visa the PA and driver on work Visas.

I checked with my my wife has made arrangements similar for associates visiting NZ and they needed work Visas for the "other" staff.

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#1507348 7-Mar-2016 11:16

afe66:

Yeah seems a bit over kill.

But if you are running a babysitting/nanny service in queenstown, you might have a different opinion if tourists bring their own staff with them and so dont use your service I suppose.

Can I bring my driver, my cook, cleaners etc

Lets be honest.

Its a case of come on holiday with us, we will pay for everything if you can do some baby sitting...

She's an employee in Australia and could you argue she still is an employee doing similar duties for which she get paid cash in Au but here she's getting a holiday, but thats still being paid in kind.

A.

Is this any different to an older sibling coming on holiday and one of the intentions is that sibling will be called upon to do some baby sitting?

I know of one family where the grandparents have been taken on an overseas holiday with their children and grandchildren, the primary reason was to baby sit the grand children. If you applied the metrics applied here they would be locked up too.

Absolutely crazy.

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#1507349 7-Mar-2016 11:18

Technofreak:

afe66:

Yeah seems a bit over kill.

But if you are running a babysitting/nanny service in queenstown, you might have a different opinion if tourists bring their own staff with them and so dont use your service I suppose.

Can I bring my driver, my cook, cleaners etc

Lets be honest.

Its a case of come on holiday with us, we will pay for everything if you can do some baby sitting...

She's an employee in Australia and could you argue she still is an employee doing similar duties for which she get paid cash in Au but here she's getting a holiday, but thats still being paid in kind.

A.

Is this any different to an older sibling coming on holiday and one of the intentions is that sibling will be called upon to do some baby sitting?

I know of one family where the grandparents have been taken on an overseas holiday with their children and grandchildren, the primary reason was to baby sit the grand children. If you applied the metrics applied here they would be locked up too.

Absolutely crazy.

It is quite different, she is an employee

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#1507384 7-Mar-2016 11:46

OP first example is not relevant. The second example is correct.

This is not something new and it has always been this way.

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#1507396 7-Mar-2016 12:13

That's how the cookie crumbles, not sure why this makes a news story, just a new episode of 'Border Patrol'.

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#1507398 7-Mar-2016 12:15

wasabi2k:

I'm sensing we aren't getting the whole story here..

Me too.

I am not inclined to make a judgement based on a short NZ Herald report.

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#1507408 7-Mar-2016 12:32

JWR:
wasabi2k:

I'm sensing we aren't getting the whole story here..

Me too.

I am not inclined to make a judgement based on a short NZ Herald report.

Like other Government Departments they will not release any details due to privacy and take criticism on the chin as it's usually misinformed

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#1507409 7-Mar-2016 12:32

Technofreak:

afe66:

Yeah seems a bit over kill.

But if you are running a babysitting/nanny service in queenstown, you might have a different opinion if tourists bring their own staff with them and so dont use your service I suppose.

Can I bring my driver, my cook, cleaners etc

Lets be honest.

Its a case of come on holiday with us, we will pay for everything if you can do some baby sitting...

She's an employee in Australia and could you argue she still is an employee doing similar duties for which she get paid cash in Au but here she's getting a holiday, but thats still being paid in kind.

A.

Is this any different to an older sibling coming on holiday and one of the intentions is that sibling will be called upon to do some baby sitting?

I know of one family where the grandparents have been taken on an overseas holiday with their children and grandchildren, the primary reason was to baby sit the grand children. If you applied the metrics applied here they would be locked up too.

Absolutely crazy.

Yes it is very different.... she is working as an employee.

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