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#195207 10-Apr-2016 17:06

What to do what to do? I wasn't going to mention this in view of some recent feedback I have had. Then I realised I was censoring myself out of fear of adverse reactions. Not cool, as someone here might say. Some things are just important, regardless of much they may upset the Tories amongst us. Am I just dissing on New Zealand again? Maybe I am critical because I actually care about this country. It is just a shame our good journalists don't have more support for serious investigative work.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201796151/in-and-out-of-the-loop-on-the-biggest-leak-ever

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#1529577 10-Apr-2016 17:17

I think the leak was so big, that people haven't really comprehended what is going on. I mean I been following snowden on twitter and some of the stuff that was going on in iceland was pretty major, you dont see a lot of that being reported here.

Also you have to remember that soooo much stuff (11.4 million docs, totaling 2.6 Terrabytes) was leaked I don't even think any single organisation has even gotten through it all yet. I suspect more will come out, it will take time.

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#1529579 10-Apr-2016 17:23

NZ's international news is just whatever they find drip fed from the AP, spelling mistakes and all.

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#1529584 10-Apr-2016 17:35

Some comment and opinion from Bernard Hickey here:

http://www.hivenews.co.nz/articles/1214-hive-news-tuesday-key-denies-nz-a-tax-haven-nz-mentioned-60-000-times-in-mossack-fonseca-leak

This isn't going to just "go away".

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#1529587 10-Apr-2016 17:45

NZ media is very insular (pun intended). Something only matters abroad if its (a) entertainment, or (b) involves a plucky kiwi. Ratings show that's exactly what the punters want. We don't want analyses, we want entertainment.

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#1529588 10-Apr-2016 17:45

Maybe we're not as incorrupt as we always thought we were. Isn't it interesting how these kinds of things only seem to emerge thanks to leakers like Manning and Snowden. Where are their medals again? Oh, right.

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#1529591 10-Apr-2016 17:54

roobarb:

NZ media is very insular (pun intended).
Something only matters abroad if its (a) entertainment, or (b) involves a plucky kiwi.
Ratings show that's exactly what the punters want.
We don't want analyses, we want entertainment.

(I have posted this cartoon on GZ before - but it is 100% still true.)

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#1529595 10-Apr-2016 17:58

roobarb: NZ media is very insular.

Or given we have two islands, would that be insulae?

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#1529601 10-Apr-2016 18:07

roobarb:

roobarb: NZ media is very insular.

Or given we have two islands, would that be insulae?

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#1529603 10-Apr-2016 18:09

Rikkitic:

roobarb:

roobarb: NZ media is very insular.

Or given we have two islands, would that be insulae?

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or insulation.

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#1529606 10-Apr-2016 18:24

Criticism of the NZ media can be readily found online, plus the references to dirty politics and concerns over political interaction with various media. This would lead most overseas news organisations to believe that NZ is too small and the media too unreliable to be entrusted with investigating leaks of this magnitude.

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#1529624 10-Apr-2016 19:23

Maybe so. Another factor is around the time the Panama leak began Nicky Hagar was still in court after the police searched his home on a fishing expedition and seized a bunch of stuff. The court eventually found in his favor, which is a victory for NZ. Hagar had previously worked for/with the same group on document investigations.

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#1529629 10-Apr-2016 19:39

It is to this country's credit that the court found in his favour, but we still have a way to go.

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#1529656 10-Apr-2016 21:06

Rikkitic:

What to do what to do? I wasn't going to mention this in view of some recent feedback I have had. Then I realised I was censoring myself out of fear of adverse reactions. Not cool, as someone here might say. Some things are just important, regardless of much they may upset the Tories amongst us. Am I just dissing on New Zealand again? Maybe I am critical because I actually care about this country. It is just a shame our good journalists don't have more support for serious investigative work.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201796151/in-and-out-of-the-loop-on-the-biggest-leak-ever

I suspect no NZ media were involved because both of the two main daily newspaper groups could be relied upon to call the Beehive and warn them....and thus every other country.

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#1529658 10-Apr-2016 21:12

Rikkitic:

Maybe we're not as incorrupt as we always thought we were. Isn't it interesting how these kinds of things only seem to emerge thanks to leakers like Manning and Snowden. Where are their medals again? Oh, right.

NZ is becoming steadily more corrupt.

Not hard to see why.....there are now hundreds of thousands of people here from countries where corruption is a normal part of everyday life. If only 10% of them forget WHY they left their own corrupt countries to come here......then we have a real problem. Knowing that, the present government has skimped on money to monitor corrupt activities...so even as we really should be mindful of the need for closer monitoring and enforcement.....the reverse is happening.

It's as though they want it to happen: This government wants NZ to be more corrupt.

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#1529662 10-Apr-2016 21:24

Elpie:

Criticism of the NZ media can be readily found online, plus the references to dirty politics and concerns over political interaction with various media. This would lead most overseas news organisations to believe that NZ is too small and the media too unreliable to be entrusted with investigating leaks of this magnitude.

Well said. In fact I'd go as far as expanding the term unreliable to encompass both investigative ability and keeping mouths shut.

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