(Australia) Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster loses bid for legal recognition as incorporated entity

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#288311 20-Jun-2021 10:35

If the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a hoax, what about the others? What evidence does the Corporate Affairs Commission (Adelaide) have that other religions are not a hoax?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-19/sa-church-of-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-proposal-rejected/100228038?

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#2731375 20-Jun-2021 11:28

I reckon! So some are allowed imagery friends and others not

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#2731378 20-Jun-2021 11:46

Religion: The biggest can of worms open since humans have existed.

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#2731430 20-Jun-2021 12:17

If you can keep up the pretense of required rhetoric without gaging, starting a Church/Religion it is a great way to create a tax free enterprise.
This can then support you in the style you deserve, and you can no doubt claim back all sorts of living expenses.

Houses in different nice resorts so you can carry out your mission in different places.
Executive jets and running costs for same reasons.
That world trip to take your mission global, or simply visit nice places you decide are significant to your religion.
Even have your own cruise ship full of people to serve you if that's your thing.

As the story of Glorivale starts to have parallels with Centerpoint.
I do wonder what protections can we give children who are bought up in to this they did not choose to give their lives.

When and if they want to go a different direction they are left bereft of education and material capability to leave with anything more that their clothes.
Yet they contributed to the organization as they took up only non paying jobs on offer, and should by rights have a share to cash in.

Its perhaps time to limit special status to charitable works to community, and religion as a business can pay tax etc.
However it needs tight oversight and there maybe a time to tax to pay for this, as its seem resource is lacking to investigate.

Oh there are those that do a lot of good in the community, and it may sometimes be ones you would think of.

Remember what Sikh were doing, expanding on their everyday charitable works to feed many during the lockdowns.
Many others sure, but then there were also many that kept to themselves and their profitable works.

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#2731435 20-Jun-2021 12:56

Here's a hoax for you: Someone claims an angel gave him some inscribed golden plates he won't ever let anyone else see but dictates a 'translation' of them. Or a pulp science fiction author goes into the mental health business by convincing people they can be 'audited' and 'cleared'. I wonder what the South Australia commission thinks of Mormonism and Scientology.

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#2731445 20-Jun-2021 13:17

What is stopping anyone registering an Occult Religion ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_the_occult

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https://www.indiewire.com/2018/06/strange-angel-scientology-l-ron-hubbard-sex-cult-1201973347/

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#2731463 20-Jun-2021 14:24

But the flying spaghetti monster is real.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/flying-spaghetti-monster-caught-on-camera/

Compare to the invisible pink unicorn which nobody has ever seen let alone captured on video.

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#2731468 20-Jun-2021 14:31

The Satanic Temple has achieved tax-free status in the US.

The mission of The Satanic Temple, a religious organization, is to encourage benevolence and empathy among all people, reject tyrannical authority, advocate practical common sense, oppose injustice, and undertake noble pursuits. The Satanic Temple has publicly confronted hate groups, fought for the abolition of corporal punishment in public schools, applied for equal representation when religious installations are placed on public property...

Amen.

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#2731470 20-Jun-2021 14:44

ezbee:

What is stopping anyone registering an Occult Religion ?

Pretty much all "regular" church teachings should see them classified as "Occult" religions. They might frown upon practices like holding a seance in a futile attempt to talk to an recently dead person, but wholeheartedly support their followers talking to people who died thousands of years ago, or to mythical entities for which there's no evidence ever existed at all.

It's only by "convention" that religious churches claim to be different - and not believers in "the occult".

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#2731930 21-Jun-2021 10:31

Never mind registering more of them, it's time to start taking away the financial support base of the ones we already have. Religions need to be stripped of their tax free status.

The fact the state and the taxpayer continue to help fund these giant scams for weak minded fools is beyond belief.

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#2731941 21-Jun-2021 11:09

Only takes 20years before a cult becomes a religion
All religions are cults .

Then again, if a hobby/sport association can become a legal entity , why not silly made up Spag Monster

What the Spag monster followers should now do, is turn it into a political party .

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#2732094 21-Jun-2021 15:04

The story of the big invisible man in the sky who sees everything you do and punishes you for hurting other people/yourself was about the only effective way to police people in the olden days and many people are still not altruistic enough or smart enough to do what's right, so the need for religion hasn't gone away yet (unfortunately).

It was also a handy and simple way of stopping people dying from eating bad pork, a rule that could really be updated now we have food hygiene standards and refrigeration.

All of the above is why education is the enemy of religion and why terrorist groups like Boko Haram (Translated as: Western Education is Forbidden) exist.

It's when these religions recruiting policies loose sight of the bigger picture than they really cause more trouble/death than they prevent.

Most followers of religion don't like it much when you dig too deep into its roots because they are all a copy of some preceding religion, just as our laws and judicial system is a copy of the British, who themselves coped someone else.

Mormon's(1800AD)

Christians (50AD) - Judaism (500BC)- Zoroastrianism (2000BC ??) - ? (10,000BC)

Islam (600AD)

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#2732652 22-Jun-2021 13:14

Lias:

Never mind registering more of them, it's time to start taking away the financial support base of the ones we already have. Religions need to be stripped of their tax free status.

The fact the state and the taxpayer continue to help fund these giant scams for weak minded fools is beyond belief.

Don't get me started. It irks me everytime my quarterly rates bill arrives and I see the Christchurch cathedral earthquake rebuild levy - which I and every other ratepayer in Christchurch must pay for the next 10 years, to rebuild a building that arguably few people wanted rebuilt (at least in its current form).

The costs were first estimated in 2016 at $104m, then in 2020 it was revealed that it had blown out to $154m - and this was before any meaningful work had actually started. At this stage the extra $50m is yet to be found, so I assume their hand will be firmly out to rate payers and others for even more cash very soon.

Don't get me wrong - it was a nice building, and I even sang in the cathedral choir for 5 years - therefore I have a closer association with the building than most people. Even still, I don't believe it's a good use of tax and rate payers cash to blow it on nostalgia. I fully predict the cost will be over $200m when all is said and done. The church got a circa $50m insurance payout - the rest is coming from you and me.

What a wonderful world it would be if you and I could under-insure our houses and then get taxpayers to pick up the tab for 2-3 times that amount....

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#2732655 22-Jun-2021 13:22

Coming from Europe, I found the cathedral rather unremarkable and couldn't understand what people saw in it. A much better use of the square would have been an innovative structure that looks forward instead of an antique reproduction that looks back.

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#2732727 22-Jun-2021 15:23

Wheelbarrow01:

Don't get me started. It irks me everytime my quarterly rates bill arrives and I see the Christchurch cathedral earthquake rebuild levy - which I and every other ratepayer in Christchurch must pay for the next 10 years, to rebuild a building that arguably few people wanted rebuilt (at least in its current form).

The Anglican Church wanted to demolish the Cathedral and were sued to stop this happening. If there's any religion to blame for your shouldering of the costs, it's the religions of nostalgia and heritage building preservation.

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#2732751 22-Jun-2021 16:18

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