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#466847 8-May-2011 18:22

mgcarley:
Now you're just being ridiculous.

Any more ridiculous than:
Aemeao Ltd. ?
Seven Poles Ltd. ?
Carley Network Media Ltd. ?
Fushigi Oy ?

A google of these companies just brings up linkedin (you), oldfriends (you again), drupal (with a list of ex-workers that only includes you) and Hayai (which, tada!, is you)
Where are the services they provide? The Satisfied customers?

The least you could've done is get Kenriche Technologies Pvt Ltd (you = CTO) to do the Hayai website! (and maybe one for Glenn, his Neil Diamond page is pretty crappy really!)

Also don't you think it's a bit early to be calling Hayai Broadband, "India's FASTEST ISP"

And even this is a bit of a stretch: "Hayai Broadband is New Zealand's Fastest ISP, offering consumer services up to 1Gbit/s! See www.hayai.net.nz for more information. "
and maybe even likely to get you in some trouble with an actual ISP that IS NZs fastest!

meh, I'll just stick to my popcorn and watch the way things roll from here!

Thanks for an amusing, un-boring sunday, I couldn't have done it without ya!

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#466848 8-May-2011 18:25

And the LOLs keep on coming!

edit: and yes, I expect the $10 I pay for a static IP to be all I need to keep having a static IP v4 address

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#466849 8-May-2011 18:26

Beccara: I'm sorry but that claim is laughable, Even with DNS whitelisting you get google services, facebook isn't v6 yet unless you change the url you are going to (users wont) 6to4 and Nat64 break FTP/SIP/Any protocol with connection info in the packet contents.

Some things will break, sure - as we all know, this happens with all "new" technologies and implementations thereof. But if the pros outweigh the cons then I see no reason to change anything and furthermore, someone has to pioneer these things - but even then, I don't think we'd take the prize of "first exclusive IPv6 ISP".

Beccara:There isn't a SIP ATA that any SIP providers support that do v6 yet, The list goes on. Sure with NAT64 you users will be able to browse the net but apart from that little else will work. There's also the small issue that alot of v6 devices have immature software stacks right now.

Fortunately our CPEs would include 1 or 2 VOIP ports in them, so this is not too much of an issue, and Alcatel claims that the devices are IPv6 ready. If the software stack is rubbish, then this is why these things are software upgradeable, and with remote management, it can be done without user interaction.

Beccara:If you wanted to launch in say 3-4 years a pure v6 network then it would be possible at that point as the transition and translation tech matures and the end user equipment matures but any sooner is crazy, Atleast go the CGN/v6 route if you're going to attempt this

It may very well be a year or more until we are launching in NZ - there is still the question of having sufficient infrastructure in place to do that, so I can't say that I'm exactly worried.

Early adoption can hurt, it's as simple as that, but by the time you actually have a cable passing your home it's unlikely that the situation is going to be the same then as it is now.

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#466852 8-May-2011 18:33

Well it's clear you have no idea what a pure v6 network will actually do to your clients experiences, Going to side with the rest of this thread here, What your talking about doing is bluntly disconnected from reality

Most problems are the result of previous solutions...

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#466855 8-May-2011 18:37

blakamin:
mgcarley:
Now you're just being ridiculous.

Any more ridiculous than:
Aemeao Ltd. ?
Seven Poles Ltd. ?
Carley Network Media Ltd. ?
Fushigi Oy ?

A google of these companies just brings up linkedin (you), oldfriends (you again), drupal (with a list of ex-workers that only includes you) and Hayai (which, tada!, is you)
Where are the services they provide? The Satisfied customers?

What's your point? Excepting Fushigi OY, all of those are one man companies. In case you hadn't noticed, NZ is full of those.

blakamin: The least you could've done is get Kenriche Technologies Pvt Ltd (you = CTO) to do the Hayai website! (and maybe one for Glenn, his Neil Diamond page is pretty crappy really!)

Firstly, Hayai's website is long completed, but, being mainly an online store it would be stupid of us to put that up.

Secondly, I would never do anything technical for friends or family, not even suggest to them a website designer. It just causes problems.

blakamin: Also don't you think it's a bit early to be calling Hayai Broadband, "India's FASTEST ISP"

I could string a bunch of cables from tree to tree, connect it to a VDSL connection and provide service that way and I would be India's fastest ISP. Some cable providers even look like they've done just that (I have photos). By this, of course, I mean that the bar is set very, very low.

blakamin: And even this is a bit of a stretch: "Hayai Broadband is New Zealand's Fastest ISP, offering consumer services up to 1Gbit/s! See www.hayai.net.nz for more information. "
and maybe even likely to get you in some trouble with an actual ISP that IS NZs fastest!

So let them complain directly to us.

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#466856 8-May-2011 18:38

Beccara: Well it's clear you have no idea what a pure v6 network will actually do to your clients experiences, Going to side with the rest of this thread here, What your talking about doing is bluntly disconnected from reality

We'll see.

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#466857 8-May-2011 18:51

mgcarley:
blakamin: And even this is a bit of a stretch: "Hayai Broadband is New Zealand's Fastest ISP, offering consumer services up to 1Gbit/s! See www.hayai.net.nz for more information. "
and maybe even likely to get you in some trouble with an actual ISP that IS NZs fastest!

So let them complain directly to us.

But they might only get your lawyer or accountant or shareholders or flatmate or even the fish if they try your address!
Hopefully the ute's gone before they come around...

I'm going back to play in real life,
Have fun dude, and all the best for whatever it is you're trying to accomplish!

Keep kewl 'til after school!

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#466859 8-May-2011 19:01

mgcarley: The plan has always been to be exclusively IPv6. If I'm going to build a new network from the ground up, why should I bother with IPv4?

This statement seems to contract this previous statement, in this thread, which I'll quote:

mgcarley: It would be nice to utilize ONLY IPv6 in NZ with Class B/v4- to public v6 conversion done by CPEs and vice-versa back at our gateways, although I think it's still a bit "out there" and probably not yet practical, if not currently impossible - I expect we'd need all sorts of proxy and NAT traversal gear (unless someone who knows better than myself can suggest a practical solution).

Audiophiles are such twits! They buy such pointless stuff: Gold plated cables, $2000 power cords. Idiots.

OOOHHHH HYPERFIBRE!

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#466860 8-May-2011 19:02

blakamin:

But they might only get your lawyer or accountant or shareholders or flatmate or even the fish if they try your address!
Hopefully the ute's gone before they come around...

Sorry man, but you're just starting to sound like a bit of a t*** right about now. Who gives a toss if my stepfather drives a ute? They're just normal people like most of you, and they tell me that they like their lives. Get over it, live and let live.

Besides, generally a lawyer or whatever is the one who should be answering these things anyway, but my email addresses and phone numbers are hardly secret if they do wish to contact me personally.

blakamin:
I'm going back to play in real life,
Have fun dude, and all the best for whatever it is you're trying to accomplish!
Keep kewl 'til after school!

I plan on it.

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#466861 8-May-2011 19:04

muppet:
mgcarley: The plan has always been to be exclusively IPv6. If I'm going to build a new network from the ground up, why should I bother with IPv4?

This statement seems to contract this previous statement, in this thread, which I'll quote:

mgcarley: It would be nice to utilize ONLY IPv6 in NZ with Class B/v4- to public v6 conversion done by CPEs and vice-versa back at our gateways, although I think it's still a bit "out there" and probably not yet practical, if not currently impossible - I expect we'd need all sorts of proxy and NAT traversal gear (unless someone who knows better than myself can suggest a practical solution).

That was close to a year ago, and things change quickly in the telco world ;)

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#466863 8-May-2011 19:08

True but to be fair his statement is that it has *ALWAYS* been to go pure v6 which is counter to his previous post

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#466864 8-May-2011 19:09

muppet:
mgcarley: The plan has always been to be exclusively IPv6. If I'm going to build a new network from the ground up, why should I bother with IPv4?

This statement seems to contract this previous statement, in this thread, which I'll quote:

mgcarley: It would be nice to utilize ONLY IPv6 in NZ with Class B/v4- to public v6 conversion done by CPEs and vice-versa back at our gateways, although I think it's still a bit "out there" and probably not yet practical, if not currently impossible - I expect we'd need all sorts of proxy and NAT traversal gear (unless someone who knows better than myself can suggest a practical solution).

Ummmmmmmmm let me see now. Pretty sure it doesn't.

Exclusively IPv6 as per the first statement: check.
It would utilize ONLY IPv6 with v6 to v4 conversion being required meaning we might have a few (like 255 or so) v4 IPs: check.
Most people still run their LANs on v4, meaning that essentially the path is going to be v4 -> v6 -> v4 in the case of someone accessing the v4 Internet: check.

Where's the contradiction?

Are you pointing at the fact that at the time I thought it might not have been possible but now I think it is? Wooooooooooooooow! You've exposed the fact that something has changed! You must be so proud! Congratulations on having such awesome sleuthing skills!!

Sigh.

Can I just do my thing now and let you know when something is ready (if I still decide to bother with NZ)? Thanks.

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#466865 8-May-2011 19:10

Well, considering that he hasn't done either so far, it may still be true that he does it ;)

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#466866 8-May-2011 19:13

Beccara: True but to be fair his statement is that it has *ALWAYS* been to go pure v6 which is counter to his previous post

Some v4 was always going to be necessary for having some NAT stuff going but the customer would never have noticed it and the customer would never have received an IPv4 address.

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#466875 8-May-2011 19:35

The client would never have noticed it? I highly doubt that.

Many of here on GZ are very smart people who work in all manner of ISP's and understand the economics of it. FTTH prior to the UFB renouncement would have been risky but someone with deep enough pockets could have done some form of passive pon network, Certainly not a widespread active network. They would have had to play a long game with no returns or loss's for many years after the build.

With the UFB around the corner it would be reckless to spend the money over building a UFB network, The prices you're website estimates are waaay off for anything but a 20+ year return wait. There are too many red flags in this thread both technical and business related to take you seriously. Your flat rate plans would have to be 10 times as much or have be oversubscribed enough that your clients would be lucky to get 1/10th of their speed.

And now you've just posted an exit clause "if I still decide to bother with NZ"

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