UFB ISPs, VLAN Tagging and CGN

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#3100069 5-Jul-2023 09:14

Behodar:

My gut feeling is that at present CGN is still a relative rarity, so a list of providers that do use it is easier to maintain. If it needs to swap to the opposite type of list in the future then that's an option, but I feel like I have zero free time at the moment so don't want to make this any more of an administrative burden than it needs to be.

I think most of the cheaper providers and new providers use CGNAT. Suggestion, list the ones we know. E.g. if we know CGNAT is used, list it, if we know CGNAT is NOT used list that. I notice, some people saying you can ask to have it disabled, or request a static IP. It would be good to cover those cases too. Just build it out with the info we have and put a date against each entry as a reference for when it was last checked.

And lastly, I totally understand you're busy, and thanks for your efforts.

I also like @deadlyllama idea of listing IPv6 support.

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#3100072 5-Jul-2023 09:32

@lucasnz @deadlyllama As I mentioned IPv6 is basically on every provider with the exception of Spark-Skinny / Now / MyRepublic. It isn't my place to edit the post changing the format or anything but really IPv6 support among ISP's is pretty high.

If you need IPv6 / Public IP (or cheap Static) then Quic or Voyager. I personally use Quic myself and they're great from both a price standpoint and the fact they support everything you'll need (also no CGN). If you want a free sign up there is a link / promo code in my signature.

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#3255198 1-Jul-2024 16:12

In this other topic is a mention of a Slingshot user plugging a landline phone into the ONT. Is anyone able to confirm that? Slingshot's own documentation says to connect it to the router.

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#3255210 1-Jul-2024 16:56

Behodar:
In this other topic is a mention of a Slingshot user plugging a landline phone into the ONT. Is anyone able to confirm that? Slingshot's own documentation says to connect it to the router.

https://help.slingshot.co.nz/hc/en-us/articles/5663670082073-Setting-up-your-Orbi-Wi-Fi-6-router

They really need to update the Fibre Landline guide as it only talks about plugging the landline into ONT if your using the Netgear Orbi.

Maybe some geekzone members working for Vocus could update the Fibre Landline guide on Slingshot stating landline can be plugged into ONT.

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#3259293 14-Jul-2024 10:33

currently with NOW, it was vlan tagged ,since Feb 2024 they suddenly removed vlan tag , I lost 2 weeks internet because no one told me they removed the vlan tag, I phoned their technicians many times until one of them told me tried to turn off vlan tag from the modem. so now I am sure NOW is not vlan tagged

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#3259319 14-Jul-2024 11:49

Now does use VLAN tagging except for certain grandfathered customers or edge cases.

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#3259323 14-Jul-2024 12:03

taneb1:
Now does use VLAN tagging except for certain grandfathered customers or edge cases.

I joined them July 2023 , when joined it had vlan tag . It was changed Feb 2024 .. I lost 2 weeks internet due to changing without notify the customer :(

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#3259324 14-Jul-2024 12:08

perry2017:

I joined them July 2023 , when joined it had vlan tag . It was changed Feb 2024 .. I lost 2 weeks internet due to changing without notify the customer :(

Did you get a refund??

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#3259373 14-Jul-2024 13:53

Spyware:
perry2017:

I joined them July 2023 , when joined it had vlan tag . It was changed Feb 2024 .. I lost 2 weeks internet due to changing without notify the customer :(

Did you get a refund??

nope i didn’t:( very hard to get hold of the people !

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#3259391 14-Jul-2024 14:44

Voyager: Yes [4] - PPPoE - RGW

Voyager will do DHCP on request. See https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=190&topicid=312520

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#3390136 6-Jul-2025 02:38

By unfortunate experience I have found that 2D do use cgnat for residential acc’s.

But not existing business acc’s that were carried over from MyR.

Q. Is there an up to date list of ISP’s in NZ that do not?

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#3390144 6-Jul-2025 08:02

2degrees is listed in the "ISPs known to use CGN by default" section. As far as I know the list is up to date, but I do rely on submissions from forum members since I obviously don't have connections with every ISP in the country :)

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#3390212 6-Jul-2025 10:27

Mercury: ? - DHCP

Mercury do use vlan tagging and voice is via ONT.

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#3390213 6-Jul-2025 10:32

Thanks - updated.

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#3391694 7-Jul-2025 13:52

Does Stuff Fibre still exist?

What type of IP Address system does Sky Broadband use?

Sky currently uses Dynamic IP addressing, but are planning to move to CG-Nat in future for IPv4 addresses.

Sky offers Static IP addresses for a monthly fee of $10. You can add a Static IP address to your plan through My Account or by contacting our helpful Sky Crew

Not wanting CGNAT does not automatically mean I want a static IP.

You don’t need a special phone to operate VoIP, but you will need a Primo router and/or an ATA (Analogue Telephone Adapter)* your phone handset plugs directly into either of these.

Apparently Primo supports RGW and ATA.

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