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Topic # 110918 19-Oct-2012 09:21
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Chorus promised to start BOF-UFB conversion in the middle of this year.

From Chorus letter:

With the move to a fibre world, Chorus has a programme of work to migrate from BOF to NGA technology in these fibre subdivisions to ensure a consistent fibre approach.  We are planning the equipment roll out to start by the middle of the year. This means that when we install the new GPON equipment at the relevant exchange,  service providers who may have carried out product development for UFB,  will be able to offer NGA based fibre services to residents in those subdivisions if they choose. BOF services will no longer be offered to new customers once NGA services are introduced into the new subdivision.  WorldxChange will plan to migrate customers to new NGA services at that time. 


Does anybody from fibre-ready subdivision get UFB yet? Can you select Internet provider?

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  Reply # 705185 23-Oct-2012 16:37
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Silence means that nobody has got UFB in "fibre-ready" subdivisions, I suppose. Very disappointing.

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  Reply # 705194 23-Oct-2012 16:52
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There are a growing number of customers currently using UFB services around the country.

What is the question exactly?

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  Reply # 705204 23-Oct-2012 17:03
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I have read a number of threads where you complain about being in a BoF subdivision. There are only so many people who can deploy UFB!





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  Reply # 705250 23-Oct-2012 19:01
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Out of interest, is it Chorus or Telecom responsible for the infrastructure behind the BoF trials?
I know someone who lives in a subdivision with FTTH, but their phone line is delivered over copper. They cannot get ADSL and their internet is provided by Telecom with no choice of ISP.
They've not had a smooth ride either, with peak time congestion problems plaguing their connection for months on end. As far as I'm aware the situation there has improved, but I've not heard anything about them being able to change to a UFB provider either.



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  Reply # 705251 23-Oct-2012 19:01
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ubergeeknz: There are a growing number of customers currently using UFB services around the country.

What is the question exactly?

The problem is that in these "fibre-ready" subdivisions Chorus has installed obsolete equipment which is not compatible with UFB and should be replaced. So nobody can get UFB connection yet, because nothing done by Chorus. It's quite funny joke - to live in house that has only fibre cable (no copper phone wires at all) and don't have a chance to be connected to modern fibre network.



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  Reply # 705253 23-Oct-2012 19:06
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Zeon: I have read a number of threads where you complain about being in a BoF subdivision. There are only so many people who can deploy UFB!

Yes, but Chorus's obsolete BoF equipment can't be connected to UFB! So nobody in these areas can get UFB from any people.

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  Reply # 705255 23-Oct-2012 19:09
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The equipment is not obsolete. It's purely that major changes are required to reconfigure BOF networks so they function in the same way as UFB GPON networks. There are also other major issues to address as part of a migration such as the fact WRP 400's don't support VLAN tagging on the WAN interface and the possible replacement of ervy ONT.

None of these things can be magically done overnight by unicorn riding fairies..









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  Reply # 705259 23-Oct-2012 19:23
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sbiddle: The equipment is not obsolete. It's purely that major changes are required to reconfigure BOF networks so they function in the same way as UFB GPON networks. There are also other major issues to address as part of a migration such as the fact WRP 400's don't support VLAN tagging on the WAN interface and the possible replacement of ervy ONT.
Ok, it's not obsolete, it's not compatible with government supported UFB program. The result is the same.


None of these things can be magically done overnight by unicorn riding fairies..


I understand, so I expected that Chorus will do small steps to achieve the goal. But there no any progress so far...



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  Reply # 705268 23-Oct-2012 19:51
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I am going to be moving into a BOF subdivision when my new house is built. Was so happy that I would be in a fibre area! Then I discovered how much I would be ripped off by only having one provider only catering for low usage customers! Like going backwards in time crazy!
 Interesting to note the next stage of the subdivision is going to be UFB. And the areas surrounding the subdivision will be UFB

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  Reply # 706036 25-Oct-2012 00:30
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what i don't understand is why they didn't build them the right way to start with!





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  Reply # 706057 25-Oct-2012 06:40
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hamish225: what i don't understand is why they didn't build them the right way to start with!


A question such as that shows a lack of any understanding of the way a GPON network is built and how wholesale networks interconnect in NZ. The simplest answer is to respond by saying "they did" and asking exactly what your question is actually supposed to mean.




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  Reply # 706190 25-Oct-2012 11:40
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sbiddle:
hamish225: what i don't understand is why they didn't build them the right way to start with!


A question such as that shows a lack of any understanding of the way a GPON network is built and how wholesale networks interconnect in NZ. 



Actually, to watch TV a user shouldn't understand how TV set generates video image and how electromagnetic wave comes to satellite dish etc. TV user should be able to select TV brand and TV price range and be able to press some buttons on remote control. It’s wrong when the user can buy only latest 60” Sony TV set. 

Somebody should be responsible for current bad situation and should fix it. It looks like it’s Telecom / Chorus / government. 

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  Reply # 706222 25-Oct-2012 12:15
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hamish225: what i don't understand is why they didn't build them the right way to start with!


Unfortunately no one has a future predicting crystal ball nor time machine.

Also there isn't a single right way to build a fibre network, there are many options.



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  Reply # 706249 25-Oct-2012 12:57
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Ragnor:
hamish225: what i don't understand is why they didn't build them the right way to start with!


Unfortunately no one has a future predicting crystal ball nor time machine.



It' OK. But usually if you did something wrong and promised to fix, you should follow your promise. Maybe slow, but constantly. So I dissapointed by lack of progress.  

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  Reply # 706335 25-Oct-2012 16:06
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Seriously I don't often say this but I am sick to death of flipping useless people who didn't do their research before moving to an area and then moan and groan on this message board, to Chorus and to government basically that they are useless and won't take responsibility for not researching this before they moved into an area.

This is not China. Anything in NZ takes a crapload of time to do, probably due to the culture of resource consent, "consultation" etc.

The fact is also this is not a small change and needs careful planning so things don't go crazy and you don't lose service or have unreliable service for months. NZ's infrastructure deployment is usually done to a relatively high grade (in comparison to many other countries) and this means a reliable service for you. I bet if everyone rushed in and did this you would be the first to complain its unreliable John Key should quit etc.





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