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Topic # 224088 1-Nov-2017 21:19
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I'm hoping to switch to a fibre internet provider who provide a VOIP line directly through the ONT, rather than through their supplied modem *

 

I've found that Spark and MyRepublic both do it through the ONT, but am struggling to find any other options. Spark seem expensive, and MyRepublic seems to have terrible reviews here on Geekzone.

 

Are there any others?

 

 

 

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* reason is that I want to use my Ubiquity Edgerouter-X instead of the horrible modems the ISPs hand out. I am currently with Vodafone and double-NATting the Huawei HG659, but I'm not a big fan of that setup when it's possible to do it through the ONT.


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  Reply # 1893882 1-Nov-2017 21:20
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Run the ISP supplied router as an ATA only, behind your existing router?




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  Reply # 1893883 1-Nov-2017 21:24
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Is that something most providers will allow? I think the modem would likely need to be "unlocked" from the ISP's firmware, and also I'd need the SIP login info, which nobody seems to want to hand out? Better minds than me have said the only option is double-NAT for Vodafone, at least.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1893900 1-Nov-2017 21:31
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Unlimited Internet gave me SIP login/PW
I've got my FB7390 just running VOIP (AP, no Wifi)

 

I see Unlimited got some Flack a while back, but they've given me no problems, Interweb just works can't ask for more.


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  Reply # 1893907 1-Nov-2017 21:41
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Yes it will be double NAT on the LAN side of the ISP'S router, but you won't use those ports for your internet.




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  Reply # 1893932 1-Nov-2017 21:45
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Since the Edgerouter doesn't do wifi, anything using the wifi of the ISP router will be double-NAT also.

 

Since Unlimited Internet provide the SIP details, I should be able to use the HG659 to give wifi and voip without double-nat, I think?


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  Reply # 1893933 1-Nov-2017 21:45
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I’m genuinely,y curious, what are the benefits of doing voice this way?



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  Reply # 1893934 1-Nov-2017 21:50
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Sorry, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. Are you asking what are the benefits of doing voice directly through the ONT rather than through a VOIP-capable modem/router? Or are you asking why put the VOIP modem/router behind an Edgerouter-X?


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  Reply # 1893946 1-Nov-2017 22:32
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Lorenceo:

 

Run the ISP supplied router as an ATA only, behind your existing router?

 

 

This is the best option and doesn't tie you to a provider. You just need to ensure your primary router doesn't have a SIP ALG that does things to VoIP traffic.

 

 


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  Reply # 1893947 1-Nov-2017 22:33
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Ardgowan:

 

Since the Edgerouter doesn't do wifi, anything using the wifi of the ISP router will be double-NAT also.

 

 

Yes - but since you're wanting to use your Edgerouter you obviously have your own WiFi solution so wouldn't be using the ISP router for WiFi.

 

 


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  Reply # 1893959 1-Nov-2017 23:07
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As far as i can see, Spark and vodafone are about equal pricewise monthly... excluding benefits.

 

 

 

alternatively, you can run the RGW behind your router with ALG etc which works well. It is another failure point however.





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There is a GZ member who has a 2degrees fritzbox running behind an edge router lite. They configured the edge router to provide its own PPP connection to the fritzbox. So it still gets auto updates and runs on the default config.

Although supposedly you can just set the fritzbox to IP Client mode and it's VOIP will still work.





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  Reply # 1893995 2-Nov-2017 04:52
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Compass Communications use the ONT for their landline, price is reasonable too for their internet (which also includes Voice).

 

I have been using them for over 2 years now and no problems


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  Reply # 1894003 2-Nov-2017 06:57
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Or just get a naked broadband connection and get a VOIP service separately using your own ATA.

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  Reply # 1894011 2-Nov-2017 07:07
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Personally, I wouldn't go with Unlimited Internet - they're quite dodgy (See this thread).

 

Voyager or 2degrees will give you SIP details if you ask nicely. Else don't forget you could always port the phone to 2talk and use that if it is a must. Spark are expensive but good and include added bonuses like Netflix and Lightbox too.





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  Reply # 1894012 2-Nov-2017 07:09
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Ardgowan: Are there any others?

 

Compass, Megatel, TrustPower and WorldNet are the ones that I'm aware of. I'm happy to update that list if any further information trickles down.


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