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#2555576 2-Sep-2020 12:44

Smix:

Unfortunately I think this is going to cripple the secondhand market!

*rubs hands in anticipation of cheap RTX 20xx cards flooding the market*

Dunnersfella:

Has anyone said what the new cards can output via HDMI?

24Gbps? 40Gbps? 48Gbps?

No confirmation yet, but I imagine Nvidia would face a bit of backlash if it wasn't the full 48gbps rate. Another bonus is hardware decode support for AV1 too.

And oh hallelujah, finally a HDMI 2.1 source that can validate all the claims TV manufacturers have been making about HDMI 2.1 support.

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#2555586 2-Sep-2020 13:04

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arcon:

... computers have more uses than just games, 10GB in 2020 is a bit of a joke for anything to do with 3D, simulation, GPU rendering, compositing, mining to name a few.

The application areas you specify are not the target market for the RTX 30xx cards, they are aimed at the gaming market, "According to Nvidia, the GeForce RTX 3080 is capable of providing a perfect 60 frames per second gaming experience at 4K even with ray tracing enabled."

If you want to do things like "3D, simulation, GPU rendering, compositing, mining", then I'd suggest you should be looking at an A100 type card. Sure, it'll cost heaps more money, but think of the contribution you'll be making to Nvidia's shareholder returns ;)
Or maybe a pair of RTX 3090's with SLI interconnect ('only' $US79.99)

?? A100 are for the enterprise research sector... custom solutions.

Do you not know that RTX 2000 series was by far the most popular cards in those markets I mentioned? Crushing Quadros? This is because of the huge leap in feature support that RTX gave - for the first time GeForce could do everything Quadro could do but much cheaper, except have ECC VRAM of course. Gotta have that ECC ram for preventing bit flips from cosmic rays or whatever :D But seriously Quadros are still useful in enterprise server scenarios, just not workstations or even render farms as they are slow as crap.

Target market or whatever marketing says doesn't mean anything if a cards features make it the best choice for another market, and the 3000 series will easily remain the most popular cards in the pro-sumer market once they release the 16GB + 20GB variants. They just don't want to yet lol.

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#2555601 2-Sep-2020 13:19

arcon:
All specs released, you may have seen this already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUGj3gCf3sg

The 3080 is a massive disappointment with only a 10GB version, especially because its a downgrade from the previous 80 series with nvLink disabled which even the 2070 Super could do. US$799 sounds fine but in reality that means US$999 with supply limitations.

If that wasn't bad enough, for pure marketing reasons nVidia are delaying the 16GB 3070Ti and 20GB 3080Ti, potentially for a whole year... I've lost all interest in the 3080 and what a joke to have such a difference in VRAM and price when they've got the cards already.

I've never been a fan of AMD graphics but I hope Big Navi @#$%s the 3080 so nVidia is forced to release the Ti's early.

I mean, for anyone that got a 20 series card, this is a disappointment I guess, but for everyone else, these are pretty amazing. The 20 series in general were a disappointment. Expensive, RTX gimmicky BS, with no competition from AMD.

So glad I held on with my 1070. Going to be getting a 3080. I was putting aside for a 3070, but given the 3080 is not too much more, I'll plump for that.

Is nvLink a big deal? That's two cards right? These are very expensive cards to be buying one of, let alone two. I'm not sure.

I do agree on the ti variants (or whatever they might call them), as I experienced the same with my 1070 - could have got a 1070ti. But they always come a bit later, and we know this now. For the many who waited out the 20 series and remained on their 10 series cards, that variant won't be as big a deal, because the jump from 10-30 will be so big anyway.

I see the 20 series cards are already being discounted locally lol.

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#2555684 2-Sep-2020 14:31

CrushKill:

Is nvLink a big deal? That's two cards right? These are very expensive cards to be buying one of, let alone two. I'm not sure. I do agree on the ti variants (or whatever they might call them), as I experienced the same with my 1070 - could have got a 1070ti. But they always come a bit later, and we know this now. For the many who waited out the 20 series and remained on their 10 series cards, that variant won't be as big a deal, because the jump from 10-30 will be so big anyway. I see the 20 series cards are already being discounted locally lol.

nvLink means double the speed and VRAM, a pretty big deal :) Two 2080 Supers beat a 16GB Quadro RTX 5000 for half the price which is totally nuts.

But its true for gamers the 3080 is an awesome deal at US$699. I'm sure when the Ti's are released (or whatever they end up naming the 16GB & 20GB variants), they will be great. But the pro-sumer market is a bit annoyed nVidia has these cards already and is holding them until AMD shows their hand, or maybe even longer if Big Navi is a flop.

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#2555717 2-Sep-2020 15:09

arcon:

CrushKill:

Is nvLink a big deal? That's two cards right? These are very expensive cards to be buying one of, let alone two. I'm not sure. I do agree on the ti variants (or whatever they might call them), as I experienced the same with my 1070 - could have got a 1070ti. But they always come a bit later, and we know this now. For the many who waited out the 20 series and remained on their 10 series cards, that variant won't be as big a deal, because the jump from 10-30 will be so big anyway. I see the 20 series cards are already being discounted locally lol.

nvLink means double the speed and VRAM, a pretty big deal :) Two 2080 Supers beat a 16GB Quadro RTX 5000 for half the price which is totally nuts.

But its true for gamers the 3080 is an awesome deal at US$699. I'm sure when the Ti's are released (or whatever they end up naming the 16GB & 20GB variants), they will be great. But the pro-sumer market is a bit annoyed nVidia has these cards already and is holding them until AMD shows their hand, or maybe even longer if Big Navi is a flop.

It seems a bit disingenuous to say Nvidia is holding back Ti line cards or whatever they may be called when there is nothing more than rumours and speculation. Nvidia doing a mid-cycle refresh is nothing new for them, it would be far more unusual for them to launch them day 1. I would have almost no doubt that refresh model cards are at some stage of development but I doubt they are done and just being artificially held back.

Chances are GDDR6x is very expensive and a 20GB 3080 would be pushing up much closer to the price of a 3090 than would be comfortable

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#2555732 2-Sep-2020 15:25

SpartanVXL:
Overall it’s pretty good, people buying 2070s for around $900-1k nzd have a replacement at 2080ti level. Not so great for anyone who bought a 2080ti recently.

Realistically though anyone remotely alive at the wheel should not be have made any recent 2080ti purchase at brand new prices.

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#2555753 2-Sep-2020 15:57

lagbort:

It seems a bit disingenuous to say Nvidia is holding back Ti line cards or whatever they may be called when there is nothing more than rumours and speculation. Nvidia doing a mid-cycle refresh is nothing new for them, it would be far more unusual for them to launch them day 1. I would have almost no doubt that refresh model cards are at some stage of development but I doubt they are done and just being artificially held back.

Chances are GDDR6x is very expensive and a 20GB 3080 would be pushing up much closer to the price of a 3090 than would be comfortable

Nothing is more unusual than the initial flagship model (which nVidia said is the 3080) to have less vram and gimped feature from the previous generation. They labeled the 3090 as a specialized Titan replacement, and for what it is that card is a great deal.

True that a 20GB model would be expensive, but very similar in price to the 2080Ti, US$1199. 16GB & 20GB have been confirmed for months by the few leakers who have consistently gotten everything right, from the initial reference board photos to the current specs. I guess they could be in development but I doubt they won't want to pounce immediately if Big Navi is actually good.

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#2555760 2-Sep-2020 16:06

arcon:

lagbort:

It seems a bit disingenuous to say Nvidia is holding back Ti line cards or whatever they may be called when there is nothing more than rumours and speculation. Nvidia doing a mid-cycle refresh is nothing new for them, it would be far more unusual for them to launch them day 1. I would have almost no doubt that refresh model cards are at some stage of development but I doubt they are done and just being artificially held back.

Chances are GDDR6x is very expensive and a 20GB 3080 would be pushing up much closer to the price of a 3090 than would be comfortable

Nothing is more unusual than the initial flagship model (which nVidia said is the 3080) to have less vram and gimped feature from the previous generation. They labeled the 3090 as a specialized Titan replacement, and for what it is that card is a great deal.

True that a 20GB model would be expensive, but very similar in price to the 2080Ti, US$1199. 16GB & 20GB have been confirmed for months by the few leakers who have consistently gotten everything right, from the initial reference board photos to the current specs. I guess they could be in development but I doubt they won't want to pounce immediately if Big Navi is actually good.

To me the simple answer would be that they saw an opportunity to kill 2 birds with one stone, lower prices on the gamer cards by removing the pro-sumer features (since by Nvidias own admission, sales of the 20 series was disappointing) and move the pro-sumer users up to a more expensive SKU to offset any losses from the lower prices.

In terms of gaming I don't see the slightly lower Vram to actually be an issue with these cards, between DLSS reducing the benefits of rendering at high resolutions (and consequently with big textures) and the much much faster memory bandwidth along with the new compression and direct streaming tech they are bringing in making it much easier to refill memory.

Interestingly these are broadly the same technologies being used in both the new consoles so should be well catered for in engines.

Again, I am 95% sure there will be some sort of refresh coming down the line but as these almost always include an upgraded GPU as well, I doubt they are just sitting there waiting for AMD.

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#2555762 2-Sep-2020 16:08

arcon:

CrushKill:

Is nvLink a big deal? That's two cards right? These are very expensive cards to be buying one of, let alone two. I'm not sure. I do agree on the ti variants (or whatever they might call them), as I experienced the same with my 1070 - could have got a 1070ti. But they always come a bit later, and we know this now. For the many who waited out the 20 series and remained on their 10 series cards, that variant won't be as big a deal, because the jump from 10-30 will be so big anyway. I see the 20 series cards are already being discounted locally lol.

nvLink means double the speed and VRAM, a pretty big deal :) Two 2080 Supers beat a 16GB Quadro RTX 5000 for half the price which is totally nuts.

But its true for gamers the 3080 is an awesome deal at US$699. I'm sure when the Ti's are released (or whatever they end up naming the 16GB & 20GB variants), they will be great. But the pro-sumer market is a bit annoyed nVidia has these cards already and is holding them until AMD shows their hand, or maybe even longer if Big Navi is a flop.

PC component companies moving releases and pricing to try and gimp their competitors releases? Surely you jest (I'm looking at you Intel).

I can understand your disappointment for your use case but for their target market (gaming) these are great cards. SLI has been a waste of time for gaming for some time so there is no reason for consumers to pay for it.

If Nvidia want to redirect sales back to their professional cards it can be understood if not appreciated.

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#2555833 2-Sep-2020 17:46

dejadeadnz:
SpartanVXL:
Overall it’s pretty good, people buying 2070s for around $900-1k nzd have a replacement at 2080ti level. Not so great for anyone who bought a 2080ti recently.

Realistically though anyone remotely alive at the wheel should not be have made any recent 2080ti purchase at brand new prices.

Theres always a few fellas who live in the moment and get up and go ‘now’. Frankly anybody who purchased a 2070 or higher very recently would be kicking themselves over this reveal.

In other news, the pricing for Japan on these cards has gone through the roof. Apparently this is due to the trade laws between S. Korea and JP, since these new chips are being made by Samsung instead of TSMC in Taiwan. The aussie price doesnt seem too different so I assume we’ll be alright.

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#2555867 2-Sep-2020 18:59

Handle9:

If Nvidia want to redirect sales back to their professional cards it can be understood if not appreciated.

Redirecting sales back to something which doesn't exist and won't for at least 6-8 months is a neat trick. But when they are released, very few workstation sales are going to Quadro Ampere when you can get Ampere Titan for only 1.5K USD. Even the xx80 series cards are always faster than the first two Quadro models.

But that is a fair point about consumers not having to pay for certain features... I have heard a lot of pissed off gamers though :D

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#2555944 2-Sep-2020 20:21

ShinyChrome:

No confirmation yet, but I imagine Nvidia would face a bit of backlash if it wasn't the full 48gbps rate. Another bonus is hardware decode support for AV1 too.

And oh hallelujah, finally a HDMI 2.1 source that can validate all the claims TV manufacturers have been making about HDMI 2.1 support.

The XBox SeriesX has just been confirmed to be 40Gbps...

So I will be interested to see if they want to support 12-bit panels or not.

I'm picking, because it's the computer industry, they will go 48Gbps.

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#2556084 3-Sep-2020 03:47

Labrakadabrador: At this point I'm wandering whether to just buy a super cheap GPU to have a functional PC, play some super old / low demand Indies for a while and reassess in a month.

But that's probably $200 extra I'll be spending on what is already a slightly inflated budget for my setup...

Basically I have a problem with waiting for things. 😂

In the next few weeks I bet you could pick up a used GTX 1080 for $400 or less. The markets gonna be flooded with 10 series as people upgrade , 30 series is a decent jump in performance not a sidegrade like the 20 series card were.

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#2556158 3-Sep-2020 09:56

seeing a few 2000 series popping up for sale at prices that are more than the 3000 series advertised USD prices..

Speculated on some Nvida stock early hours this morning, +3.8% when the market closed.. fingers crossed for some good post October sales figures 🤞

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#2556159 3-Sep-2020 09:57

lagbort:

Again, I am 95% sure there will be some sort of refresh coming down the line but as these almost always include an upgraded GPU as well, I doubt they are just sitting there waiting for AMD.

Well, turns out they were sitting there :D

14 hours ago they released the 3070 Ti 16GB to OEM Lenovo Systems, but haven't given a date for DIY release yet :/

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