Roundabout route to Singapore?

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#143382 13-Apr-2014 02:58

So I'm browsing around and I see on the bigpipe forum, ADSL users there are getting ~150ms to login.worldoftanks.asia. I thought I'd beat that on my fancy new UFB, but instead I get 227ms. A traceroute reveals the cause:

Tracing route to login.worldoftanks.asia [92.223.16.47]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms Orcon.Home [192.168.20.1]
2 24 ms 26 ms 48 ms 121-99-252-1.bng1.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.99.252.1]
3 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms xe-2-2-0.cre1.nct.orcon.net.nz [121.98.9.141]
4 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms 121.99.12.0
5 142 ms 153 ms 141 ms ORCON-INTER.bar1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net [4.53.132.218]
6 143 ms 180 ms 177 ms xe-5-0-0.bar1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net [4.53.132.217]
7 143 ms 157 ms 143 ms ae-0-11.bar2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net [4.69.140.146]
8 145 ms 145 ms 145 ms ae-6-6.ebr2.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.140.154]
9 145 ms 146 ms 145 ms ae-62-62.csw1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.153.18]
10 145 ms 187 ms 144 ms ae-1-60.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net [4.69.152.16]
11 144 ms 143 ms 143 ms 4.68.110.50
12 171 ms 171 ms 191 ms ae-7.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.52]
13 278 ms * 267 ms ae-2.r20.sngpsi05.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.49]
14 269 ms 269 ms 270 ms ae-2.r00.sngpsi02.sg.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.147]
15 228 ms 227 ms 228 ms 116.51.26.146
16 227 ms 227 ms 227 ms wotsg1-slave-47.worldoftanks.sg [92.223.16.47]

Trace complete.

So it goes up to the US, then through Japan? Surely going through Australia and SEA would lead to a faster route?

Bigpipe seems to have a much saner route here.

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#1024236 13-Apr-2014 03:55

different isps will have different routes.

considering orcons prefers to go via US, you will probably wanna play on the US server.

take for example Snaps route (telecom/bigpipes should look there abouts the same)

Tracing route to login.worldoftanks.asia [92.223.16.47]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms 1 ms <1 ms fritz.box [192.168.178.1]
2 7 ms 7 ms 6 ms 16.17.69.111.static.snap.net.nz [111.69.17.16]
3 5 ms 8 ms 5 ms 54.32.69.111.static.snap.net.nz [111.69.32.54]
4 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 33.27.69.111.static.snap.net.nz [111.69.27.33]
5 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.213]
6 5 ms 5 ms 6 ms ae1-10.tkbr12.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.37]
7 29 ms 28 ms 28 ms xe6-1-0.sebr1.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.234]
8 83 ms 83 ms 83 ms so4-0-0.phbr2.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.127.34]
9 134 ms * 134 ms starhub.phbr2.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.66.150]
10 134 ms 133 ms 133 ms 203.118.15.181
11 134 ms 134 ms 134 ms 203.118.16.2
12 133 ms 133 ms 145 ms 203.117.163.142
13 134 ms 134 ms 134 ms xe-0-1-0.gw401.sg1.ap.equinix.com [27.111.222.102]
14 135 ms 134 ms 142 ms xe-1-1-1.gw401.sg2.ap.equinix.com [27.111.222.107]
15 134 ms 134 ms 134 ms 27.111.214.82
16 134 ms 136 ms 139 ms wotsg1-slave-47.worldoftanks.sg [92.223.16.47]

Trace complete.

i dont really see you having the best of chances in a better route, but maybe you will be lucky enough to stir things up.

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#1024279 13-Apr-2014 09:03

From Telecom VDSL

Tracing route to login.worldoftanks.asia [92.223.16.47]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
2 12 ms 6 ms 4 ms 222-153-32-1.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [222.153.32.1]
3 5 ms 5 ms 6 ms mdr-ip20e-int.msc.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.66.22]
4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms ae0-10.akbr6.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.66.21]
5 * * 4 ms ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.213]
6 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms ae1-10.tkbr12.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.37]
7 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms xe4-1-0.sebr1.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.127.90]
8 83 ms 83 ms 83 ms so4-0-0.phbr2.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.127.34]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 174 ms 172 ms 172 ms 203.118.15.186
11 169 ms 169 ms 171 ms 203.118.15.254
12 176 ms 175 ms 264 ms 203.117.163.142
13 173 ms 173 ms 172 ms xe-0-1-0.gw401.sg1.ap.equinix.com [27.111.222.102]
14 170 ms 172 ms 171 ms xe-1-1-1.gw401.sg2.ap.equinix.com [27.111.222.107]
15 171 ms 173 ms 171 ms 27.111.214.82
16 172 ms 172 ms 172 ms wotsg1-slave-47.worldoftanks.sg [92.223.16.47]

Trace complete.

What UFB connection do you have?

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#1024290 13-Apr-2014 10:07

FIXED :-)

Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. 60.234.9.130 0.0% 2 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.0
2. ae1-0.cre2.nct.odyssey.net.nz 0.0% 2 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.0
3. 202.50.238.66 0.0% 2 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.6 0.1
4. 202.50.238.65 0.0% 2 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.0
5. ae0-10.tkbr12.global-gateway.net.nz 0.0% 2 0.6 0.7 0.6 0.7 0.1
6. xe4-1-0.sebr1.global-gateway.net.nz 0.0% 1 23.3 23.3 23.3 23.3 0.0
7. so4-0-0.phbr2.global-gateway.net.nz 0.0% 1 78.5 78.5 78.5 78.5 0.0
8. starhub.phbr2.global-gateway.net.nz 0.0% 1 124.5 124.5 124.5 124.5 0.0
9. 203.118.15.181 0.0% 1 124.3 124.3 124.3 124.3 0.0
10. 203.118.16.2 0.0% 1 123.7 123.7 123.7 123.7 0.0
11. 203.117.163.142 0.0% 1 124.0 124.0 124.0 124.0 0.0
12. xe-0-1-0.gw401.sg1.ap.equinix.com 0.0% 1 124.9 124.9 124.9 124.9 0.0
13. xe-1-1-1.gw401.sg2.ap.equinix.com 0.0% 1 125.6 125.6 125.6 125.6 0.0
14. 27.111.214.82 0.0% 1 125.5 125.5 125.5 125.5 0.0
15. wotsg1-slave-47.worldoftanks.sg 0.0% 1 124.9 124.9 124.9 124.9 0.0

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#1024303 13-Apr-2014 11:09

hio77:

i dont really see you having the best of chances in a better route, but maybe you will be lucky enough to stir things up.

Since Orcon has its own international network, its very easy to route around issues like this. Sometimes BGP doesn't choose the best path based on latency requirements, so needs a bit of a hint.

ISP's with only one upstreams have limited options.

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#1024367 13-Apr-2014 14:01

Fixed indeed. 140ms. Now that's service!

Thanks Sounddude.

So was I mistaken in thinking that GPON has an inherently lower latency than DSL?

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#1024369 13-Apr-2014 14:17

Sounddude:
hio77:

i dont really see you having the best of chances in a better route, but maybe you will be lucky enough to stir things up.

Since Orcon has its own international network, its very easy to route around issues like this. Sometimes BGP doesn't choose the best path based on latency requirements, so needs a bit of a hint.

ISP's with only one upstreams have limited options.

well, count me impressed. both on the speed of picking up on this, and that there was no faffing about it.

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