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#466460 7-May-2011 14:00

So is leaving 3g and autosync on considered heavy usage? I'd still expect ~15 hours standby with it on.. with JuiceDefender my battery lasts closer to 15hrs and up to 20hrs where it only enables 3g when the screen is on or for 1 min every 15 mins.

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lofreq

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#466466 7-May-2011 14:21

lokhor: So is leaving 3g and autosync on considered heavy usage? I'd still expect ~15 hours standby with it on.. with JuiceDefender my battery lasts closer to 15hrs and up to 20hrs where it only enables 3g when the screen is on or for 1 min every 15 mins.

id say so. if you set the phone to sync constantly... then are you checking your phone physically for updates constantly as well? if your phone syncs once every 5 mins in your pocket, but you dont check your phone for 30 mins, then its wasted its time syncing itself 5 out of 6 times. youd be no better off if the phone synced once every 30 mins, you wouldnt know any better, and the battery didnt have to kill itself every 5 mins

if you have it autosync constantly with 3g on all the time, gps on, wifi scanning, etc etc, then id say youd better be walking around with your nose glued to the screen constantly otherwise theres no point making the phone work for no reason, and just having to pay the price of poor battery life later. thats where im coming from, you see.

i installed juicedefender and found that for all its monitoring cabaility it was in itself eating battery life. i realised that if i just set the phone to sync as and when i needed it, instead of sitting in my pocket syncing all day needlessly, it worked way better.

of course i dont know what you do, maybe youre on call and need to have emails synced nonstop and you do look at all your updates every 2mins your phones out of your pocket in your hand and youre using it - if so then your usage is fair, and yeah id cal that some pretty heavy use!! but if its not in your hand every 2 mins..... why make it work so hard needlessly :)

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#466468 7-May-2011 14:23

to me its kinda like having your car engine on, aircon, stereo, idling at 2000rpm ready to go , 24 hours a day, when you only jump in to use it now and then.... but then complain that your economy sucks. haha, you know what i mean? :)

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#466473 7-May-2011 15:10

Autosync uses push so it isn't supposed to drain the battery so rapidly. it doesn't check every 5 minutes or anything. If you use JuiceDefender to schedule data on/off it still only checks in that one minute if any new messages are pushed to your device. I'm pretty sure these devices are made so that you can leave the 3g connected and only have messages pushed - much like the way you receive sms messages or calls. I don't see any point of having a smartphone if it doesn't do this. If i'm using a VoIP solution like Viber it requires a constant data connection so that new messages can be pushed and calls can be received.
I don't need to have everything every 5 seconds which is why my twitter and facebook are only updated hourly. I disable wifi and gps while at work.

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lofreq

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#466486 7-May-2011 16:01

lokhor: Autosync uses push so it isn't supposed to drain the battery so rapidly. it doesn't check every 5 minutes or anything. If you use JuiceDefender to schedule data on/off it still only checks in that one minute if any new messages are pushed to your device. I'm pretty sure these devices are made so that you can leave the 3g connected and only have messages pushed - much like the way you receive sms messages or calls. I don't see any point of having a smartphone if it doesn't do this. If i'm using a VoIP solution like Viber it requires a constant data connection so that new messages can be pushed and calls can be received.
I don't need to have everything every 5 seconds which is why my twitter and facebook are only updated hourly. I disable wifi and gps while at work.

juicedefender only turns on when you schedule, to 'listen' for any push activity. if the servers are pushing at the time, you get something. if juice defender is "off" when the server is pushing. you get nothing, of course. meanwhile all the other apps on your phone that are scavenging for data are polling the data gateway on your phone for data. this may be activating your cell radio constantly at random times since apps dont talk to each other and agree on when to poll for updates together. my weather widget(s), social network apps, twitter, rah rah, are all doing it, and goodness knows whatever else. all those free apps that demand internet connection to stream their ads. google have that "background data" flag but it is known that it is not enforced - apps can work around it if they so wish. so in the end the only way to police it is to shut the door yourself - by disabling your 3g data and controlling it yourself. or in this case with juice defender. the difference here is i may be enabling data perhaps 4 or 5 times a day to see whats up as and when i need it - whereas your phone is doing it 96 times a day (once every 15 mins) - thats a huge difference in usage isnt it. plus juicedefender is also running constantly to keep track of time, so thats using juice in itself. when i tried juicedefender it used so much more battery i uninstalled it completely, i even bought the pro version to be sure i was getting the full deal, and it was horrendous. lost my money on that one, never installed it again

so even tho i agree with you in your logic being sound around push notifications etc, it stands to reason that other things are happening also outside your knowledge or control which is sucking juice. leaving 3g on all the time is just trusting those apps not to use it, and id say they are abusing the access. of course, you cant use VOIP without a constant connection, so in this case with VOIP youre stuck.

only way to prove this is for you to disable/uninstall juicedefender, install a simple widget toggle like switchpro, and trial a whole day from full battery with autosync off, background data off, and 3g off, and then as the day goes by, toggle 3g and sync only when you need it. if u can suddenly get to the end of the day and still have about 70% battery left, then id say thats about right! :D

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Shrapnel

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#466487 7-May-2011 16:07

lokhor: Autosync uses push so it isn't supposed to drain the battery so rapidly. it doesn't check every 5 minutes or anything. If you use JuiceDefender to schedule data on/off it still only checks in that one minute if any new messages are pushed to your device. I'm pretty sure these devices are made so that you can leave the 3g connected and only have messages pushed - much like the way you receive sms messages or calls. I don't see any point of having a smartphone if it doesn't do this. If i'm using a VoIP solution like Viber it requires a constant data connection so that new messages can be pushed and calls can be received.
I don't need to have everything every 5 seconds which is why my twitter and facebook are only updated hourly. I disable wifi and gps while at work.

I agree that Autosync doesn't use that much battery. I used to easily get 2 days(light to moderate use) on Doc's JS8 with it on, and with that I can't really see how having Data on and hourly fb and twitter updates is going to take that much battery. But the only way is to turn them off when not using them and see if they are the culprits or not.

Edit: Damn, lofreq got there first :P

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#466587 7-May-2011 22:00

I get the point about having data enabled draining battery, I just don't get why it uses so much battery for me. Going to try a different modem and see how I go. I have also flashed the Insane OC/UV kernel that is based on Speedmod K13E so I can try undervolting and see if that yields any battery savings.

Whether data is enabled or disabled I think everyone can agree that 9hrs is not a very long battery life with only 2 hours of actual usage.

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#466604 7-May-2011 23:34

I've just flashed CM7. Wow. I didn't understand all the hype and fuss but I'm starting to come to an understanding pretty quickly.

This is very comprehensive. It's like a whole bunch of different customisations for the phone. And it's like having to learn how to configure the phone all over again!

But at 11:30pm, it's well past my bedtime.

But if anyone knows how I can select my own media for the phone ringtone I'd love to hear. I can't see how to do it.

Cheers

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#466662 8-May-2011 09:26

I've thought about using CM7 but they don't support 720p video recording and mkv playback etc is choppy.

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#466675 8-May-2011 10:26

lokhor: So is leaving 3g and autosync on considered heavy usage? I'd still expect ~15 hours standby with it on.. with JuiceDefender my battery lasts closer to 15hrs and up to 20hrs where it only enables 3g when the screen is on or for 1 min every 15 mins.

Still pretty new to all this but am I to assume that when I am at home and connected to the home Wifi that 3g is turned off automatically? It seems from on here that the 3g aspect is something that consumes more battery than Wifi?

thanks

ps totally unrelated why am I able to 'pinch zoom' some web pages and not others in my browser? eg Geekzone 'yes' NZ Herald 'no'

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#466678 8-May-2011 10:32

tallmaninthecnr:
lokhor: So is leaving 3g and autosync on considered heavy usage? I'd still expect ~15 hours standby with it on.. with JuiceDefender my battery lasts closer to 15hrs and up to 20hrs where it only enables 3g when the screen is on or for 1 min every 15 mins.

Still pretty new to all this but am I to assume that when I am at home and connected to the home Wifi that 3g is turned off automatically? It seems from on here that the 3g aspect is something that consumes more battery than Wifi?

thanks

ps totally unrelated why am I able to 'pinch zoom' some web pages and not others in my browser? eg Geekzone 'yes' NZ Herald 'no'

I don't think the 3g gets turned off as such but it doesn't get used when you are connected to Wifi. If you have the wifi settings set to turn wifi off when the screen is off then 3g will be used when the screen is off. If you have Autosync & Background Data enabled this means there will be a pretty much constant data connection. If you have Autosync & Background Data disabled only apps that ignore this setting will create a connection.

Regarding the pinch to zoom thing was it the NZ Herald mobile site? I'm fairly certain that if a page is made for mobile then it won't be pinch zoom-able (or tap zoomable for that matter).

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tallmaninthecnr

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#466709 8-May-2011 12:21

Thanks, just looked at the wifi setting and yes it reverted to 3g when the screen was off. If I set this to 'never' does that mean it will only revert to 3g when there was no wifi connection as that would make sense!

Yes the herald was the mobile site so I guess that makes sense.

groynk

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#466755 8-May-2011 14:40

Hi
This may not be possible, but I would love to know if there is a way to upgrade to GB bootloaders without connecting to a computer through USB.

All the guides I've read so far say to use ODIN to upgrade the bootloaders.
I am currently enjoying flashing custom ROMs based on 2.2.1, but want to move on to 2.3.3 and 2.3.4.

My issue though is that I have lost the ability to connect through USB, and have gotten used to just using CWM and downloading straight through the phone!

Shrapnel

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#466802 8-May-2011 16:53

groynk: Hi
This may not be possible, but I would love to know if there is a way to upgrade to GB bootloaders without connecting to a computer through USB.

All the guides I've read so far say to use ODIN to upgrade the bootloaders.
I am currently enjoying flashing custom ROMs based on 2.2.1, but want to move on to 2.3.3 and 2.3.4.

My issue though is that I have lost the ability to connect through USB, and have gotten used to just using CWM and downloading straight through the phone!

No, there isn't a way I know of and if there was it would be risky. So you have USB Debug on, go into download mode and Odin doesn't recognise your phone?

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groynk

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#466886 8-May-2011 20:01

Shrapnel:
groynk: Hi
This may not be possible, but I would love to know if there is a way to upgrade to GB bootloaders without connecting to a computer through USB.

All the guides I've read so far say to use ODIN to upgrade the bootloaders.
I am currently enjoying flashing custom ROMs based on 2.2.1, but want to move on to 2.3.3 and 2.3.4.

My issue though is that I have lost the ability to connect through USB, and have gotten used to just using CWM and downloading straight through the phone!

No, there isn't a way I know of and if there was it would be risky. So you have USB Debug on, go into download mode and Odin doesn't recognise your phone?

Actually I've figured out finally that the cord I bought to replace my faulty original cord was in itself faulty...
On any pc it would tell me that windows can't recognise the device try... etc etc so I concluded that I had bunged up the phones usb socket wiggling round the loose connection on the original cord.
Finally tested with a third cord today and (how do you spell it?) wualah! all is well again.

Thanks for the answer though, it's the answer I suspected.

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