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Topic # 159837 14-Dec-2014 16:23
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Hello good people of Geekzone,

We are currently developing an app for Android and IOS that will allow people to use their phone in place of a hop card. I would like to gauge the interest in such a product and to see what features you would like to see.


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  Reply # 1197280 14-Dec-2014 16:29
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This is exactly what is needed for AT!.

Is this going to be an offical AT app or a Third party one?

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  Reply # 1197281 14-Dec-2014 16:32
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Please I need it by January





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  Reply # 1197291 14-Dec-2014 16:56
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Yes. What are the basic features?

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  Reply # 1197293 14-Dec-2014 16:57
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Official App or third party?



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  Reply # 1197295 14-Dec-2014 17:02
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Wow,
The enthusiasm is just what we've been looking for. 
At this point in time it is going to be third party which will be better for users more than anything else. We are working to establish an effective line of communication with Auckland Transport and see if they would like to be part of it but at the moment 3rd party. 
The basic feature set will be:
1. The ability to scan your card with your phone and use your phone in place of a card at all AT Hop readers
2. Be able to check your balance on the go
3. View your travels

If there is anything more you would like included you can comment here and we will do our best to include them.

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  Reply # 1197296 14-Dec-2014 17:05
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This is excellent.

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  Reply # 1197300 14-Dec-2014 17:24
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Very interesting!

Is this an NFC based solution?

Will the Android solution be SWP/SIM/SecureElement or HCE?

Will you be emulating EMV or DESFire?

Will the AT HOP readers accept Apple Pay?


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  Reply # 1197314 14-Dec-2014 17:31
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If there is anything more you would like included you can comment here and we will do our best to include them.

Even if you accept cards, a list of recharge/top up locations will be very useful for many customers.

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  Reply # 1197316 14-Dec-2014 17:33
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and try not to save payment details if a user does not want to ; ).

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  Reply # 1197321 14-Dec-2014 17:42
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How are you planning to overcome the technical limitations that a) make this impossible without working with AT and b) implementing DESfire support? This can't be done with HCE or working with a carrier for custom SIM cards for SWP?







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  Reply # 1197385 14-Dec-2014 19:47
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Android devices will emulate the cards using HCE for the widest possible usage spectrum. 
It's not really as simple as Desfire or EMV these are standards for different industries, a private construction like this uses APDU's.
I like the idea of top up stations, I am implementing it now.
In regards to not working with AT we have a way to do this but because of the steps involved won't be able to say anything until after.


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  Reply # 1197393 14-Dec-2014 20:04
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Do you  have ETA of release?

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  Reply # 1197469 14-Dec-2014 22:24
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The problem I see is that if it is not an officially sanctioned AT setup/app, what is one supposed to do when the ticket inspector shows up?

Somehow, I get the feeling that their reaction to one pulling one's phone out instead of an official HOP card will not be terribly amused.


On the other hand, I would love an app that could replace the HOP card...

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  Reply # 1197515 15-Dec-2014 02:46
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shermanp: The problem I see is that if it is not an officially sanctioned AT setup/app, what is one supposed to do when the ticket inspector shows up?

Somehow, I get the feeling that their reaction to one pulling one's phone out instead of an official HOP card will not be terribly amused.


On the other hand, I would love an app that could replace the HOP card...


But some people have stuck their HOP card inside their phone case, and that turned out all right.

And yes, I think a lot of people are looking forward to this, if it does go ahead!




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  Reply # 1197649 15-Dec-2014 11:18
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shermanp: The problem I see is that if it is not an officially sanctioned AT setup/app, what is one supposed to do when the ticket inspector shows up?

Somehow, I get the feeling that their reaction to one pulling one's phone out instead of an official HOP card will not be terribly amused

 

 

There has been at least one official trial (it may still be running) with Telecom/Spark, using NFC phones as HOP cards, so as long as the ticket inspector's HOP validator authenticates your phone, I suspect they probably wont care

 

 

http://transportblog.co.nz/2012/04/30/hop-on-your-phone/

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